ON 11-30-2015 I LOST THE BRAKE SYSTEM WHILE DRIVING ON A CITY STREET. UPON INSPECTION I FOUND A RUPTURED BRAKE LINE FROM THE PRIMARY SIDE OF THE MASTER CYLINDER. THE BRAKE LINE HAD FAILED DUE TO CORROSION. INSPECTING OTHER BRAKE LINES, I FOUND OTHERS THAT HAD CORROSION WHERE PLASTIC CLIPS WERE USED TO LOCATE LINES. I HAVE OWNED THIS TRUCK SINCE NEW AND HAVE CARED FOR IT METICULOUSLY. THE TRUCK HAS 66,00 MILES ON IT. I HAVE NEVER OWNED ANY VEHICLE THAT HAD IT BRAKE LINES RUST THROUGH LIKE THIS. A MAJOR CATASTROPHE TO ME AND MY FAMILY WAS AVERTED BY PULLING OVER AT THE FIRST SIGN OF FAILURE. GM SHOULD BE HELD LIABLE FOR EVERY VEHICLE IT MANUFACTURED WITH POOR QUALITY MATERIALS THAT CAN CAUSE FAILURE TO THE SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF AN AUTOMOBILE, THE BRAKES. AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE ATTACHED PHOTOS, THIS TRUCK IS NOT RUSTED ANYWHERE ELSE.
- NHTSA ID
- 10808664
- Incident
- Nov 30, 2015
- Mileage
- 66,376 mi
Fuel systemPowertrain (other)
Filed Oct 15, 2015
ISSUES WITH EMISSIONS SWITCH. CHECK ENGINE LIGHT WILL NOT GO OFF. ALSO 3 AND 4TH GEAR ARE COMPLETELY GONE OUT. I DO NOT TOW OR HAVE HAD ANYTHING EVEN REMOTELY HEAVY IN THIS TRUCK. IT'S A 2005 GMC SIERRA WITH ONLY 78,480 MILES ON IT. I AM NOT THE ONLY ONE HAVING ISSUES WITH THIS 4 SPEED TRANSMISSION. IT IS NOT HEAVY DUTY ENOUGH FOR THIS SIZE TRUCK. GM NEEDS TO RECALL ALL OF THESE TRANSMISSIONS. WHEN IT FIRST STARTED SLIPPING I LOST ALL POWER GOING DOWN THE ROAD AT ABOUT 55MPH. THE VEHICLE THAT WAS BEHIND ME SLAMMED ON HIS BRAKES TO AVOID HITTING ME. THIS PROBLEM WITH THE TRANSMISSION IS GOING TO KILL SOMEONE.
- NHTSA ID
- 10782566
- Incident
- Oct 2, 2015
- Mileage
- 78,480 mi
VEHICLE WAS STOPPED. BRAKE PEDDLE WENT TO THE FLOORBOARD. NOT ABLE TO PUMP UP ANY PRESSURE. INVESTIGATION SHOWED BRAKE FLUID COMING FROM PERFORATED BRAKE LINE AT LEFT FRONT WHEEL. NO BRAKING ACTION AVAILABLE! APPEARS TO BE SOME TYPE OF CORROSIVE REACTION BETWEEN THE BRAKE LINE AND THE CLAMPS USED TO FASTEN THE LINE TO THE CHASSIS. NOTE: THIS VEHICLE HAS NEVER BEEN OPERATED IN SNOW OR ROAD SALT TO MY KNOWLEDGE.
- NHTSA ID
- 10773876
- Incident
- Sep 22, 2015
- Mileage
- 60,000 mi
BRAKE FAILURE DO TO RUSTED OUT LINES.A ONGOING PROBLEM THAT GM WILL NOT TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE POOR QUALITY OF THESE LINES PUTTING PEOPLE'S LIVES AT RISK.
- NHTSA ID
- 10763441
- Incident
- Sep 1, 2015
- Mileage
- 101,000 mi
TL* THE CONTACT OWNS A 2005 GMC SIERRA. WHILE DRIVING AT APPROXIMATELY 60 MPH, THE ENGINE SUDDENLY INCREASED IN SPEED TO APPROXIMATELY 10 MPH. THE CONTACT STATED THAT THE DISPLAY PANEL READ "REDUCED POWER MODE" AND THE CHECK ENGINE WARNING LIGHT ILLUMINATED. THE VEHICLE WAS RESTARTED, BUT THE FAILURE RECURRED MULTIPLE TIMES. THE VEHICLE WAS DRIVEN TO AN INDEPENDENT MECHANIC WHERE IT WAS DIAGNOSED THAT THE THROTTLE BODY NEEDED TO BE REPLACED. THE VEHICLE WAS REPAIRED; HOWEVER, THE FAILURE RECURRED WITHOUT WARNING. THE VEHICLE WAS THEN TAKEN TO A DEALER WHERE THE THROTTLE BODY WIRE HARNESS, THE THROTTLE ACCELERATOR CONTROL MODULE, AND THE ACCELERATOR PEDAL ASSEMBLY WERE REPAIRED. THE REPAIR FAILED TO REMEDY THE FAILURE. THE FAILURE MILEAGE WAS APPROXIMATELY 270,000.
- NHTSA ID
- 10748147
- Incident
- Feb 6, 2014
- Mileage
- 270,000 mi
WITHOUT ANY WARNING, MY BRAKE LINES FAILED AND I COULD NOT STOP MY TRUCK. I LIVE IN THE NORTHEAST AND IT WOULD SEEM REASONABLE FOR BRAKE LINES TO RUST OUT. HOWEVER, MY TRUCK IS ONLY 10 YEARS OLD AND I HAVE SPENT THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS KEEPING IT WASHED, INCLUDING THE UNDERCARRIAGE. I HAVE NEVER HAD A BRAKE LINE FAIL ON ANOTHER CAR AND I HAVE DRIVEN SOME REALLY OLD VEHICLES. I HAVE ALSO NEVER HEARD OF ANYONE I KNOW HAVING A PROBLEM WITH THEIR VEHICLES. THIS IS BECAUSE IT IS A SPECIFIC PROBLEM WITH GMC SIERRA AND CHEVY SILVERADO.
- NHTSA ID
- 10732899
- Incident
- Jul 9, 2015
- Mileage
- 115,000 mi
A VEHICLE APPROACHING FROM MY LEFT SIDE WAS SPEEDING AND RAN THE STOP LIGHT IN FRONT OF ME AT APPROXIMATELY 40MPH. I SLAMMED ON MY BRAKES TO AVOID THE COLLISION AND MY BRAKES WET TO THE FLOOR. I MISSED HITTING THE CAR BY ABOUT 1 FOOT. AT AN INSPECTION AT A DEALERSHIP IT APPEARS THE BRAKE LINES HAD RUSTED THROUGH UNDER THE DRIVERS SIDE OF THE TRUCK. APPARENTLY FORM ROAD SALT CORROSION,
- NHTSA ID
- 10717589
- Incident
- May 16, 2015
- Mileage
- 30,000 mi
Electrical
Filed Mar 30, 2015
2005 GMC SIERRA. CONSUMER WRITES IN REGARDS TO VEHICLE SPEEDOMETER STOPPED WORKING. *SMD
- NHTSA ID
- 10702611
- Incident
- Mar 2, 2015
- Mileage
- 76,000 mi
ANOTHER GM RUSTY BRAKE LINE FAILURE WHILE ATTEMPTING TO STOP ON A 2005 GMC SIERRA 1500. I DON'T EXPECT THINGS TO LAST FOREVER, BUT BRAKE LINES ARE ESSENTIAL TO THE SAFETY OF A VEHICLE AND THEY SHOULD NOT BE RUSTING TO FAILURE AT THIS POINT. I DON'T CARE WHAT THE CLIMATE IS. AT THIS POINT MY TRUCK IS IN THE SHOP GETTING FIXED ON MY DIME (GM REFUSES TO REPAIR IT). BUT THEY NEED TO LOOK INTO THIS. I HAVE WORKED ON/DRIVEN MANY MUCH OLDER CARS IN THE SAME CONDITION, AND I HAVE NEVER SEEN BRAKE LINES RUST TO THIS EXTENT IN 10 YEARS. MY LAST CAR WAS A 20 YEAR OLD MONTE CARLO THAT STILL HAD ORIGINAL BRAKE LINES. IN MY OPINION THIS HAS THE POTENTIAL TO TURN INTO BIGGER SAFETY ISSUE AT SOME TIME. IN MY OPINION, IT IS ONLY A MATTER OF TIME. *TR
- NHTSA ID
- 10701920
- Incident
- Mar 25, 2015
Electrical
Filed Mar 3, 2015
SPEEDOMETER DOES NOT RETURN TO ZERO WHEN YOU STOP IF IT GOES DOWN TO 40 AND YOU DRIVE OFF DOING 40 IT READS 80. *TR
- NHTSA ID
- 10691969
- Incident
- Dec 4, 2013
- Mileage
- 32,898 mi
WENT TO STOP AT STOP SIGN, BRAKES FELT SPONGY. STOPPED UP THE ROAD ABOUT 2 MILES AT MY MOMS HOUSE TO GET MY KIDS, LOOKED UNDER THE TRUCK AND SAW BRAKE FLUID DRIPPING DOWN ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE FRAME BEHIND THE LEFT FRONT WHEEL.I HAVE TO REPLACE ALL OF MY BRAKE LINES NOW DUE TO RUST. *TR
- NHTSA ID
- 10690140
- Incident
- Feb 21, 2015
- Mileage
- 99,634 mi
TL* THE CONTACT OWNS A 2005 GMC SIERRA. THE CONTACT STATED THAT THE DRIVER SIDE AIR BAG DEPLOYED WHEN THE VEHICLE WAS SHUT OFF. THE VEHICLE WAS NOT DIAGNOSED OR REPAIRED. THE MANUFACTURER WAS NOTIFIED OF THE FAILURE. THE VIN WAS NOT AVAILABLE. THE APPROXIMATE FAILURE MILEAGE WAS 102,000.
- NHTSA ID
- 10680974
- Incident
- Jan 17, 2015
- Mileage
- 102,000 mi
WHEN TRYING TO EXIT HIGHWAY OFFRAMP BRAKES COMPLETELY FAILED DUE TO BRAKE LINES RUSTING THROUGH. VEHICLE WAS BROUGHT TO A STOP WITH PARKING BRAKE. *TR
- NHTSA ID
- 10679309
- Incident
- Jan 26, 2015
- Mileage
- 211,925 mi
I WAS TRAVELING AT 35 MPH AND APPROACHED A STOP LIGHT. THE BRAKES FAILED AND I WENT THROUGH THE RED LIGHT. I NEARLY WAS HIT BY ONCOMING TRAFFIC. THE BRAKE LINE HAS A SEVER LEAK AT A RUSTED AREA IN THE LINE. *TR
- NHTSA ID
- 10668851
- Incident
- Dec 29, 2014
- Mileage
- 148,000 mi
AROUND THE MIDDLE OF DECEMBER 2014 THE "SERVICE BRAKE SYSTEM" MESSAGE APPEARED ON MY 2005 GMC 1500 SIERRA SLE. I CHECKED THE BRAKE FLUID RESERVOIR AND IT WAS NEARLY EMPTY. I COULD NOT FIND WHERE THE FLUID HAD LEAKED FROM SO I SERVICED THE RESERVOIR WITH 12 OUNCES BRAKE FLUID TO THE FULL MARK. FROM ABOUT DECEMBER 15, 2014 UNTIL 28 DECEMBER 2014, I LOST ABOUT 7 OUNCES OF BRAKE FLUID. NO TRACE OF BRAKE FLUID CAN BE FOUND ON THE DRIVEWAY. I CRAWLED UNDER THE TRUCK AND HAD MY WIFE PRESS THE BRAKES WHILE I LOOKED FOR A LEAK. I FOUND THE LEAK NEAR THE LEFT REAR WHEEL AREA ON A VERY CORRODED BRACKET. IT APPEARS TO BE A VERY SMALL HOLE BECAUSE THE FLUID COMES OUT AS A FINE MIST AND NOT A STREAM. THE RIGID BRAKE LINE CONNECTS TO A FLEXIBLE BRAKE LINE AT THE BRACKET AND THERE IS A LOT OF RUST AT THE CONNECTION AS WELL AS THE BRAKE LINE. I HAVE FOUND RUST FORMING ON OTHER BRAKE LINES AS WELL. *TR
- NHTSA ID
- 10668607
- Incident
- Dec 28, 2014
- Mileage
- 115,800 mi
ENGINE HAS LOSE OF ENGINE COOLANT OVER TIME WITH NO EVIDENCE OF LEAKS FOUND. WE BROUGHT THE TRUCK TO A GM DEALER WHICH TOLD US THIS WAS A KNOWN DEFECT ISSUE. THEY PROVIDED US WITH BULLETIN # 06-06-01-019B DOCUMENT ID 1986750 WHICH CLEARLY STATE THIS WAS DEFECT IN THE CASTING OF THE CASTECH HEADS. THE COST WITH PARTS AND LABOR IS $3,100.00 DOLLARS. CLEARLY, GM SHOULD COVER THIS COST SINCE THIS OBVIOUSLY IS A KNOWN DEFECT. SEARCHING THE INTERNET YOU CAN SEE A LARGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE EXPERIENCING THIS ISSUE WITH LITTLE OR NO HELP FROM GM. *TR
- NHTSA ID
- 10662540
- Incident
- Dec 5, 2014
- Mileage
- 114,000 mi
THE VEHICLE WAS PURCHASED NEW AND HAS BEEN REGULARLY MAINTAINED. THE BRAKE LINES AND FRAME ARE HEAVILY CORRODED. WHILE PULLING OUT OF A PARKING SPOT ON 10/26/14 BRAKES WERE APPLIED ABRUPTLY WHICH CAUSED A RUPTURE OF THE CORRODED BRAKE LINES. ALL BRAKE LINES WILL NEED TO BE REPLACED IN ORDER TO SAFELY RETURN THE VEHICLE TO SERVICE. OTHER FAMILY MEMBERS HAVE 2004 CHEVY YUKON AND 1994 GMC 2500, BOTH VEHICLES HAD BRAKE LINES FAIL DUE TO CORROSION AND REQUIRED COMPLETE REPLACEMENT IN ORDER TO SAFELY RETURN THE VEHICLES TO SERVICE. THIS IS A SERIOUS SAFETY CONCERN AND THESE BRAKE LINE FAILURES ARE NOT NORMAL WEAR AND TEAR. I HAVE HAD SEVERAL VEHICLES MUCH OLDER THAN THIS VEHICLE WHICH STILL HAVE STOCK BRAKE LINES WITH NO CORROSION. *TR
- NHTSA ID
- 10653729
- Incident
- Oct 26, 2014
- Mileage
- 140,000 mi
Electrical
Filed Oct 10, 2014
MY SPEEDOMETER RECENTLY MALFUNCTIONED AT AROUND 77,000 MILES AND I BROUGHT IT TO THE ATTENTION OF THE DEALERSHIP'S SERVICE MANAGER, JEFF BEVINGTON, AT RALLY GMC AUTO GROUP IN PALMDALE, CA (WHERE I PURCHASED THE VEHICLE NEW IN 2005). I WAS GIVEN SERVICE BULLETIN #07187C - SPECIAL COVERAGE ADJUSTMENT INSTRUMENT PANEL CLUSTER GAUGE NEEDLE FUNCTION (MARCH 20, 2009), WHICH INDICATES THE FOLLOWING: THIS BULLETIN IS BEING REVISED TO INCLUDE CERTAIN 2005 MODEL YEAR VEHICLES IN THE U.S. ADDITIONALLY, FOR U.S. 2003-2005 MODEL YEAR VEHICLES, GM WILL PROVIDE THE INSTRUMENT PANEL CLUSTER (IPC) ONLY, AT NO CHARGE TO THE CUSTOMER FOR VERIFIED FAILURES BETWEEN 70,001 MILES (110,001 KM) AND 80,000 MILES (130,000 KM). ANY ADDITIONAL COSTS, INCLUDING LABOR TO REPLACE THE INSTRUMENT PANEL CLUSTER, WILL BE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE CUSTOMER. DEALERS WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE RETURN OF THE CUSTOMER'S IPC BACK TO THE ELECTRONIC SERVICE CENTER. PLEASE DISCARD ALL COPIES OF BULLETIN 01787B, ISSUED SEPTEMBER 2008. THE VIN BREAKOUTS OF VEHICLES INVOLVED IN THE BULLETIN INCLUDE 2005 GMC SIERRA BETWEEN 51100001 AND 51347001. HOWEVER, JEFF BEVINGTON TOLD ME THAT SINCE MY VEHICLE IS OLDER THAN 7 YEARS AND OVER 70,000 MILES, IT IS NOT COVERED??? HE SUGGESTED I CALL THE GM TOLL FREE NUMBER (800) 222-1020 AND ASK IF THEY CAN HELP. I CALLED AND SPOKE TO DONTES WHO TOLD ME THAT GM HAS NO RECORD OF THE SERVICE BULLETIN MENTIONED ABOVE??? *TR
- NHTSA ID
- 10643878
- Incident
- Oct 10, 2014
- Mileage
- 77,000 mi
AirbagsSteering
Filed Aug 24, 2014
POWER STEERING STOPS WORKING ON SLOW RIGHT HAND TURNS. I SOMETIMES NEED TO BACK UP IN ORDER TO COMPLETE THE TURN. I ALSO END UP CROSSING INTO ONCOMING LANES IF NO TRAFFIC IS COMEING TOWARDS ME. IF THERE IS TRAFFIC I NEED TO STOP IN THE MIDDLE OF THE TURN UNTIL THE TRAFFIC CLEARS. THE "CHECK AIRBAG" LIGHT CAME ON AT 85000 MILES AFTER THE BATTERY DISCHARGED FROM THE VEHICLE SITTING TO LONG WITHOUT BEING DRIVEN. *TR
- NHTSA ID
- 10627826
- Incident
- May 3, 2012
- Mileage
- 57,000 mi
Driver assistance
Filed Aug 18, 2014
AT ANY RATE OF SPEED TRUCK WILL GO INTO REDUCED ENGINE POWER MUST PULL OVER OUT OF TRAFFIC AND KILL ENGINE WAIT A COUPLE OF MINUTES AND THEN RESTART SOMETIMES YOU CAN GO 1 MILE TILL HAPPENS AGAIN SOMETIMES 50 MILES VERY DANGEROUS SITUATION IN HEAVY TRAFFIC. *TR
- NHTSA ID
- 10626201
- Incident
- Aug 1, 2011
- Mileage
- 195,000 mi
Electrical
Filed Aug 8, 2014
THE INSTRUMENT CLUSTER PANEL ON MY 2005 GMC SIERRA PICK UP CONSTANTLY READS THE WRONG SPEED. AT TIMES IT REGISTERS 0 MPH WHEN IM ACTUALLY DRIVING OR IT READS 120MPH WHEN STOPPED. ALSO THE OIL PRESSURE GAUGE IS PEGGED OUT. THERE SAMES TO BE ALOT OF COMPLAINTS FOR THE SAME THING ON THE YEAR AND MODEL, YOU NEED TO MAKE GM DO A RECALL ON THIS. *TR
- NHTSA ID
- 10620976
- Incident
- Dec 2, 2013
- Mileage
- 50,000 mi
I WENT OUT TO MOVE THE TRUCK AND NOTICED THERE WAS FLUID ON THE DRIVEWAY. I EXAMINED THE REAR DRIVER SIDE AND THERE WAS A BRAKE LINE THAT HAD RUSTED THROUGH. I CONTACTED THE LOCAL DEALERSHIP AND THEY STATED THEY WERE UNAWARE OF THIS BEING AN ISSUE WITH THOSE TRUCKS. I HAD RESEARCHED AND FOUND THAT THERE HAVE BEEN MULTIPLE COMPLAINTS TO GM ABOUT THIS ISSUE. FORTUNATELY, THIS OCCURRED WHEN THE VEHICLE WAS PARKED AND DID NOT FAIL WHILE DRIVING MY FAMILY IN THE VEHICLE. WHAT I HAVE READ IS THAT THE BRAKE LINES WERE MANUFACTURED WITH POOR QUALITY MATERIALS AND THAT THEY FAIL. THE ARTICLE REFERENCED IS: HTTP://MOBILE.NYTIMES.COM/2014/07/08/AUTOMOBILES/GM-RESISTS-RECALLING-TRUCKS-OVER-BRAKE-LINE-PROBLEM.HTML?REFERRER=&_R=1. *TR
- NHTSA ID
- 10617862
- Incident
- Jul 30, 2014
- Mileage
- 65,000 mi
Electrical
Filed Jul 23, 2014
MY SPEEDOMETER QUIT WORKING AROUND 78,000 MILES. SLOWLY BUT SURELY ALL MY OTHER GAUGES HAVE QUIT WORKING OVER TIME. THE RPM GAUGE, SPEEDOMETER, OIL TEMP, AND GAS GAUGE. ONLY ONE WORKS NOW. THE REST EITHER DON'T WORK OR FLUCTUATE BACK AND FORTH. I WOULD HAVE REPORTED THIS EARLIER IF I KNEW ABOUT THIS SITE. IT'S NOT THE FIRST COMPLAINT SO THERE IS SOMETHING UP WITH THESE MODELS. THEY SHOULD BE RECALLED AND FIXED BY THE DEALERS. I WON'T EVER BUY ANOTHER GMC VEHICLE. THAT'S FOR SURE. *TR
- NHTSA ID
- 10615809
- Incident
- Sep 17, 2009
- Mileage
- 78,000 mi
HELPED FRIEND WITH PLUMBING PROBLEM, AS I BACKED OUT HIS DRIVE WAY BRAKES SEEMED A LITTLE SOFT. AT FIRST STOP SIGN BRAKE PEDAL WENT DOWN ABOUT 1/4 MORE ON TRAVEL THAN NORMAL. AT NEXT STOP SIGN A CAR WAS ALREADY STOPPED, I APPLIED MY BRAKES, PEDAL TO FLOOR, NO BRAKES AT ALL. DROPPED TRANSMISSION INTO FIRST GEAR, SLOWED SOME. THE CAR AT STOP SIGN LUCKILY PROCEEDED ON THRU. I WAS NOT ABLE TO MAKE A COMPLETE STOP, AND ROLLED THRU THE STOP SIGN. JUST ABOUT HIT ANOTHER CAR. I WAS ABLE TO NURSE TRUCK HOME. I HAVE A GARAGE AT HOME WITH A CAR LIFT IN IT. I LIKE WORKING ON OLD CARS, AND MOTORCYCLES. WORKED ON CARS AND TRUCKS SINCE I WAS 16, AM 61 NOW, AND BY NO MEANS A NOVICE WORKING ON, OR RACING CARS!!! AFTER CHECKING TRUCKS BRAKING SYSTEM. LEFT FRONT STEEL BRAKE LINE WAS RUSTED BADLY AND HAD RUPTURED. AS I CONTINUED CHECKING THE BRAKE SYSTEM, ALL BRAKE LINES EXTREMELY RUSTED. I HAVE A 1952 STYLELINE DELUXE THAT THE ORIGINAL BRAKE LINES LOOK BETTER. TRUCK MY HAVE SEEN SNOW 3 TO 4 TIMES IN ITS LIFE, PRETTY SAD. I AM LUCKY TO NOT HAVE KILLED SOME ONE OR MYSELF. HAVE PICTURES OF BRAKE LINES AND TRUCK IS STILL ON LIFT. EXTREMELY POOR QUALITY BRAKE LINES. GMC SHOULD RECALL. WITH OUT A DOUBT SURE SOME HAS BEEN KILLED OR INJURED, THERE WILL BE MORE IF NOT ADDRESSED NOW!!!!!!!!! *TR
- NHTSA ID
- 10609893
- Incident
- Jul 27, 2013
- Mileage
- 78,946 mi
TL* THE CONTACT OWNS A 2005 GMC SIERRA 1500. THE CONTACT STATED THAT THE AIR BAG WARNING LIGHT ILLUMINATED. THE VEHICLE WAS TAKEN TO AN INDEPENDENT MECHANIC. THE TECHNICIAN DIAGNOSED THAT THE AIR BAG SENSOR FAILED AND NEEDED TO BE REPLACED. THE MANUFACTURER WAS NOT MADE AWARE OF THE FAILURE. THE VEHICLE WAS NOT REPAIRED. THE FAILURE MILEAGE WAS 128,000 AND THE CURRENT MILEAGE WAS 138,000.
- NHTSA ID
- 10608519
- Incident
- Mar 5, 2014
- Mileage
- 128,000 mi
Higher-selling and older vehicles accumulate more reports. Counts are not failure rates and are not directly comparable between vehicles that sold in very different numbers.