Driver assistanceElectrical
Filed Jun 15, 2019
ISSUES STARTED WITH VEHICLE NOT ABLE TO START AND INABILITY TO SHIFT OUT OF PARK. BATTERY WOULD TEST GOOD. AFTER DISCONNECTING BATTERY, VEHICLE WOULD START AS USUALLY. ISSUE BEGAN TO ESCALATE WITH OIL LIGHT AND ESP LIGHT RANDOMLY LIGHTING UP ON THE DASH. FINALLY, ELECTRONIC THROTTLE CONTROL AND ESP LIGHT WOULD COME ON WHILE DRIVING AND ACCELERATOR WAS UNRESPONSIVE WHILE DRIVING ON HIGHWAY. I HAVE REPLACED THE THROTTLE BODY AND THE ENTIRE WIRING HARNESS WITH NO RESOLUTION. I AM NOW REPLACING THE COMPUTER IN HOPES THAT IT WILL RESOLVE THE ISSUES. I HAVE HAD THE JEEP IN FOR AUTO SERVICE 5 TIMES SINCE JANUARY.
- NHTSA ID
- 11220321
- Incident
- May 29, 2019
- Mileage
- 129,400 mi
ElectricalExterior lightingVisibility
Filed Jun 13, 2019
ELECTRICAL PROBLEM CAUSING STARTING PROBLEMS, ISSUES WITH WINDSHIELD WIPERS AND NO LIGHTS ON DASH OR HEADLIGHTS/BREAK LIGHTS. AT TIMES WHILE DRIVING ALL LIGHTS ON DASHBOARD WILL TURN OFF AND WINDSHIELD WIPERS GO ON ON THEIR OWN. THE HEADLIGHTS AND BREAK LIGHTS WILL ALSO NOT WORK. THE INTERIOR LIGHTS AND RADIO WILL STILL FUNCTION. DEALERSHIP COULD NOT FIND THE PROBLEM OR SOLUTION.
- NHTSA ID
- 11219849
- Incident
- Jun 13, 2019
- Mileage
- 10 mi
Driver assistanceElectricalEngine
Filed Apr 26, 2019
JEEP HAS MAJOR ELECTRICAL ISSUES. JEEPS TIPM MODULE HAS CAUSED THE JEEP TO DIE WHILE DRIVING, EXPERIENCE LACKING POWER, CHECK ENGINE LIGHT TO GO OFF AND SEEMS TO BRAKE ITSELF. I REPLACED ITNLESS THAN A YEAR AGO AND NOW THE DEALERSHIP IS SAYING IT IS GOING OUT AGAIN. ALSO HAVING PROBLEMS WITH PCM AND PART IS ON NATIONAL BACKORDER.
- NHTSA ID
- 11204050
- Incident
- Mar 15, 2019
- Mileage
- 140,000 mi
ElectricalEngineSteering
Filed Feb 21, 2019
RANDOMLY THE JEEP WILL COMPLETELY GO CRAZY. THE WINDSHIELD WIPERS WITH FLUID RUN, BLINKERS, HORN, AND ----> THE ENGINE SHUTS OFF WHILE DRIVING AT ANY SPEED. I LOSE POWER STEERING AND POWER BRAKES AT THE SAME TIME. THIS IS SERIOUSLY DANGEROUS. I CALLED THE LOCAL JEEP DEALER AND THEY TOLD ME TO CALL CHRYSLER. I DID SOME RESEARCH IN JEEP FORUMS ONLINE AND FOUND THIS IS A VERY COMMON PROBLEM WITH THE JEEP WRANGLERS FROM 2007 FORWARD. JEEP HAS A RECALL FOR THE MOST RECENT MODELS, BUT NO RECALL FOR THE PREVIOUS YEARS TO INCLUDE MINE. I'M REALLY CONFUSED HOW THIS HAPPENS TO SO MANY JEEP WRANGLERS AROUND MY YEAR, BUT THERE ARE NO RECALLS. THIS IS A SIGNIFICANT SAFETY ISSUE FOR THE VEHICLE OCCUPANTS AND DEFINITELY FOR OTHER VEHICLES AROUND.
- NHTSA ID
- 11181529
- Incident
- Feb 21, 2019
- Mileage
- 5 mi
ElectricalEngineVisibility
Filed Feb 5, 2019
DRIVING DOWN THE ROAD AT 40 MPH WHEN ALL OF A SUDDEN COMPLETE POWER LOSS INCLUDING BRAKES, STEERING, ALMOST CAUSING AN ACCIDENT. HORN STARTED CONSTANTLY GOING, FRONT AND REAR WIPERS GOING. TURNED KEY OFF AND REMOVED, BUT EVERYTHING WAS STILL GOING LIKE A POSSESSED CAR. HAD TO DISCONNECT THE BATTERY TO GET EVERYTHING TO SHUT OFF. MECHANIC HAS TOLD ME IT IS LIKELY A FAILURE OF THE CAR'S TIPM, WHICH SEEMS TO BE A PERSISTENT PROBLEM WITH JEEPS AND OTHER CHRYSLER VEHICLES. CALLED FCA AND THEY WON'T STSAND BEHIND THEIR PRODUCT, SAYING IT'S NOT ASN ISSUE.
- NHTSA ID
- 11174474
- Incident
- Feb 4, 2019
- Mileage
- 130,000 mi
ElectricalEngineExterior lighting
Filed Sep 13, 2018
THE LIGHTS INTERMITTENTLY TURN ON AND OFF EITHER STATIONARY OR WHILE DRIVING. THE BLOWER MOTOR, FLASHERS, INTERIOR LIGHTS, HORN, AND THE WIPERS COME ON AND OFF INTERMITTENTLY EITHER STATIONARY OR WHILE DRIVING. EITHER THE BATTERY NEEDS TO BE DISCONNECTED OR THE FUSE BOX UNDER THE HOOD NEEDS TO BE JIGGLED BEFORE IT WOULD STOP. SCHEDULED TO GO IN THE SHOP FRIDAY FOR THE REPAIR. ODDLY ENOUGH THE DEALERSHIP HAS NEVER HEARD OF THIS PROBLEM. THIS WILL CAUSE A SERIOUS ACCIDENT OR WORSE IF THIS ISSUE IS NOT RESOLVED.
- NHTSA ID
- 11129313
- Incident
- Sep 3, 2018
- Mileage
- 100,000 mi
ElectricalEngineVisibility
Filed May 14, 2018
WHILE DRIVING ALL DASH LIGHTS TURN ON HEADLIGHTS DO NOT WORK WIPERS START WIPING AND WIPER WASHERS START SQUIRTING THE ENGINE STALLS AND WILL NOT START LOOKED INTO ISSUE AND TIPM IS BAD IN ALL 2007-2011 DODGE, CHRYSLER AND JEEP
- NHTSA ID
- 11093747
- Incident
- Apr 7, 2018
- Mileage
- 100,000 mi
Driver assistanceElectricalFuel system
Filed May 3, 2018
WHILE IN MOTION CAR DIES AND LIGHTS BEGIN FLASHING, HORN GOES OFF AND ON, WINDSHIELD WIPERS AND FLUID ARE ACTIVATED AND DOORS LOCK AND UNLOCK.
- NHTSA ID
- 11091638
- Incident
- May 3, 2018
- Mileage
- 100,000 mi
Electrical
Filed Apr 25, 2018
WHILE DRIVING THE HORN STARTS BLOWING UNCONTROLLABLY. THE WINDSHIELD WASHER ACTIVATES UNCONTROLLABILITY AND WINDSHIELD WIPER ACTIVITY. ELECTRIC DOOR LOCKS SOMETIME WON'T LOCK. ELECTRIC WINDOWS SOMETIMES WON'T GO DOWN. THIS IS CAUSED BY A DEFECTIVE TIPM.
- NHTSA ID
- 11090068
- Incident
- Apr 13, 2018
- Mileage
- 191,000 mi
AirbagsElectricalExterior lighting
Filed Apr 24, 2018
JEEP TIPM FAILURE NUMEROUS TIMES. HEADLIGHTS STOP WORKING COMPLETELY, AIRBAGS REPORTEDLY NON WORKING, WINSHIELD WIPERS WORK WHEN THEY WANT TO, HORN BLOWS ON ITS OWN. DOOR LOCKS CYCLE ON THEIR OWN. ENGINE WONT SHUT OFF WITH THE KEY UNLESS UNHOOKING THE BATTERY.
- NHTSA ID
- 11089794
- Incident
- Apr 23, 2018
- Mileage
- 82,500 mi
AirbagsDriver assistanceElectrical
Filed Mar 20, 2018
TIPM- DOOR LOCKS SHORTED OUT, FUEL PUMP QUITS STRANDING THE VEHICLE ON THE STREET, WILL NOT RESTART WITHOUT PULLING AND RESETTING THE IOD FUSE, CAUSES AIRBAG LIGHT TO FLASH FAULT, REAR WIPER QUITS. THIS MAKES THE VEHICLE UNSAFE OR UNABLE TO BE USED. VEHICLE WAS BOUGHT NEW AND WOULDN'T THINK MUCH ABOUT THIS IF THROUGH RESEARCH I HAD NOT FOUND HOW MANY FAILURES EXPERIENCED BY MANY HAVE BEEN RELATED TO THIS PARTS FAILURE RATE. PARKED THE VEHICLE AND WHEN WENT TO RESTART IT IT WOULD NOT RESART, THEN THE DOORS STARTED LOCKING AND UNLOCKING REPEATEDLY LOCKING ME OUT OF THE VEHICLE WITH THE KEYS IN IT. I RESET THE IOD FUSE AND IT STARTED. THEN GOING DOWN THE HIGHWAY THE WARNING LIGHTS IN THE DASH STARTED FLASHING, AIRBAG, TCS, ANTI THEFT, TIRE PRESSURE, ABS, STABILITY CONTROL ALL CAME ON THEN VEHICLE SHUT OFF. IT WOULD START THEN RUN FOR A FEW SECONDS AND DIE. THROUGH RESEARCH I FOUND THIS TO BE RELATED TO THE ANTI THEFT IN THE TIPM-. TRIED REPLACING THE DOOR LOCK FUSE AND IT STARTED ARCING AND SMOKING. VEHICLE IS PARKED NOW WITH A TIPM- ON ORDER. AS STATED PREVIOUSLY, I BOUGHT THIS JEEP NEW AND IF IT WAS NOT SUCH A WIDESPREAD ISSUE WITH CHRYSLER PRODUCTS I WOUL NOT THINK MUCH ABOUT A PART FAILURE AT TEN YEARS.
- NHTSA ID
- 11080374
- Incident
- Mar 20, 2018
- Mileage
- 101,000 mi
Electrical
Filed Feb 4, 2018
ALL HEADLIGHTS GO OFF RANDOMLY. STARTED INTERMITTENT, THEN MORE OFTEN CAUSING SAFETY ISSUES AT NIGHT. CHECKED EVERYTHING MULTIPLE TIMES, NOW THEY COME ON AND BLINK 3 TIMES. TIPM MODEL WAS CAUSING PROBLEMS BUT NO CODES. LOOKS LIKE REPEATING ISSUE WITH CHRYSLER AND SHOULD BE RECALL
- NHTSA ID
- 11066881
- Incident
- Dec 10, 2017
- Mileage
- 95,000 mi
ElectricalEngineVisibility
Filed Dec 27, 2017
MY 2008 JEEP WRANGLER UNLIMITED HAS BEGUN EXHIBITING VERY STRANGE BEHAVIOR: 1) THE FRONT WINDSHIELD WIPER SPRAY DOES NOT WORK. THE REAR WIPER SPRAY WORKS FINE. VERY UNUSUAL SINCE BOTH FRONT AND REAR SPRAY USES THE SAME PUMP. THUS POSES A SAFETY ISSUE. 2) THE DOOR LOCKS NO LONGER LOCK WHEN THE LOCK BUTTON IS PRESSED ON THE KEY FOB. THIS IS TRUE FOR EITHER FOB, AND YES, I HAVE CHANGED THE BATTERIES. 3) THE CAR SOMETIMES DOES NOT START. THE ENGINE DOES NOT CRANK. THIS HAPPENS AT RANDOM, AND CAN SOMETIMES BE RESOLVED BY REMOVING THE KEYS FROM THE IGNITION, RE-INSERTING THEM AND TRYING AGAIN. SOMETIMES 5 OR MORE ATTEMPTS ARE REQUIRED TO GET THE CAR TO START. IN MY RESEARCH, ALL OF THESE SYMPTOMS POINT TO A FAULTY TIPM MODULE.
- NHTSA ID
- 11056775
- Incident
- Jun 5, 2017
ElectricalExterior lighting
Filed Dec 21, 2017
AS THE VEHICLE WAS TRAVELLING AT NIGHT ON A TWO-LANE COUNTRY ROAD AT 35 MPH, THE ELECTRICAL POWER OF THE VEHICLE SHUT OFF, INCLUDING HEADLIGHTS, RADIO, INTERIOR POWER, VENTILATION, AND ENGINE. THE DURATION OF THE OUTAGE WAS APPROXIMATELY 10 SECONDS. THIS POWER OUTAGE OCCURRED JUST PRIOR TO A CURVE AND CAUSED LOSS OF VISION AND ABS BRAKING, CAUSING A SKID AND NARROWLY MISSED COLLIDING WITH A GUARDRAIL. THE POWER THEN CAME BACK ON, AND ALL SYSTEMS APPEARED TO RETURN TO NORMAL. THERE APPEARS TO BE A POWER DISTRIBUTION PROBLEM THAT AFFECTED THE OPERABILITY OF THE VEHICLE, CREATING A HAZARDOUS CONDITION. BATTERY AND ALTERNATOR CHECK OUT OK, SO A POWER SUPPLY PROBLEM IS NOT A ROOT CAUSE OF THE ISSUE.
- NHTSA ID
- 11055950
- Incident
- Dec 19, 2017
- Mileage
- 120,000 mi
Electrical
Filed Nov 12, 2017
SHORTLY AFTER I BOUGHT MY 2008 JEEP WRANGLER IN 2015 FROM THE LOCAL DEALERSHIP IT STARTED TO INTERMITTENTLY NOT START. IT WOULDN'T EVEN TURN OVER. HAD IT TOWED TO THE SAME LOCAL JEEP DEALER THAT I BOUGHT IT FROM AND THEY CHECKED IT OUT. IT TURNED OUT TO BE A FAULTY TIPM. THEY REPLACED THE FAULTY TIPM AND NOW TWO YEARS LATER IT IS DOING THE SAME THING.
- NHTSA ID
- 11045427
- Incident
- Nov 10, 2017
- Mileage
- 98,341 mi
BrakesDriver assistanceElectrical
Filed Nov 9, 2017
TOTALLY INTEGRATED POWER MODULE (TIPM) ITEM HAS FAILED , CAUSING ME TO REPLACE OTHER PARTS DIAGNOSED BY PCM AS BEING FAULTY, BUT REPLACING THOSE PARTS RESULTED IN SAME ERROR CODES. ACTUAL FAULT FOUND TO BE A FAILING TIPM. I HAVE CONSTANT ERROR CODES, RANDOM HORN, OR LACK OF HORN, RANDOM ACTUATING OF STABILITY CONTROL CAUSING ONE CORNER OF JEEP TO BRAKE SUDDENLY AND GIVING THE STABILITY CONTROL WARNING LIGHT. RANDOM POWER AND FUEL ECONOMY PROBLEMS. SPENT +$600 IN PARTS THAT DID NOT FIX WHAT JEEP SAID WAS PROBLEM, WHEN PROBLEM IS TIPM GIVING THE PROBLEM. JUST WAITING TO SEE IF BURSTS INTO FLAMES, AS HAVE SMELLED HOT WIRES COMING FROM IT RECENTLY. THIS HAS OCCURRED WHILE STATIONARY AND IN WHILE MOTION.
- NHTSA ID
- 11044846
- Incident
- Oct 11, 2017
- Mileage
- 104,000 mi
Electrical
Filed Sep 27, 2017
ON MY JEEP WRANGLER THE TIPM WENT OUT. I UNDERSTAND THAT 2008 JEEP WRANGLER HAVE THIS AS A RECALL BUT THEY HAVE TOLD ME MY VIN NUMBER HASN'T SHOWN UP TO BE A PROBLEM YET OR NEXT IN LINE FOR THIS RECALL. IS THERE A WAY I CAN GET MY JEEP VIN TO SHOW SO I CAN GET THIS FIXED. WHIPPERS ARE GOING OFF EVEN THO ITS OFF. DASH LIGHTS WON'T TURN ON OR SHOW I HAVE ANY FUEL. I CAN NOT CHANGE THE GEAR.
- NHTSA ID
- 11030217
- Incident
- Sep 25, 2017
- Mileage
- 53,000 mi
AirbagsElectrical
Filed Jun 29, 2017
IN OCTOBER 2016 TOOK MY CAR IN FOR OIL CHANGE AND THE DEALERSHIP ADVISED ME OF A RECALL OF CLOCK SPRING. I HAVE HAD MY CAR IN 4 TIMES FOR FAULTY CLOCK SPRINGS. MY AIRBAG LIGHTS AND HORN GO OFF AT RANDOM TIMES SOMETIMES MY HORN NEVER WORKS AND MY AIR BAG LIGHT GOES CRAZY WITH THE HORN...LIKE THE CAR IS POSSESSED.
- NHTSA ID
- 11002331
- Incident
- Oct 1, 2016
- Mileage
- 145,000 mi
Electrical
Filed Apr 14, 2017
AFTER MY VEHICLE SITTING OUTSIDE OF MY JOB FOR 8 HOURS RUNNING WITHOUT MY KNOWLEDGE I THEN COME OUT TO A DEAD JEEP!, I WAS TOLD I NEEDED A NEW TIPM WHY WASN'T THIS RECALLED AND WHY IS THE DEALERSHIP MAKING ME RESPONSIBLE FOR SOMETHING I HAD MY JEEP 1 MONTH! SAD TO SAY JEEP IS NOT TAKING RESPONSIBILITY FOR THIS IT IS VERY DANGEROUS THAT MY VEHICLE CAN STAY ON AND CUT OFF WHEN EVER IT WANTS TOO!
- NHTSA ID
- 10978555
- Incident
- Apr 1, 2017
- Mileage
- 138,000 mi
Electrical
Filed Mar 31, 2017
OPENED PASSENGER DOOR. FRONT AND REAR WIPERS TURNED ON BY THEMSELVES ON HIGH. 30 SECONDS LATER HORN WENT ON CONSTANT BLAST. STARTED VEHICLE, WIPER AND HORN STILL ON. PULLED KEYS FROM IGNITION, BUT VEHICLE STAYED RUNNING. POPPED CLUTCH TO SHUT OFF. PULLED BATTERY CABLE. EVERYTHING RESET. LATER IN DAY, TRIED TO START, WIPERS TURNED ON BY THEMSELVES AGAIN, HAZZARD LIGHTS STARTED FLASHING - BUT JEEP WOULD NOT START. POWER LOCKS AND WINDOWS WOULD NOT WORK. RADIO DID WORK ALONG WITH HEADLIGHTS. STARTER WOULD NOT CLICK OR ENGAGE, IT WAS JUST DEAD. TOWED TO DEALERSHIP. TIPM REPLACED TWICE PREVIOUSLY 5 MONTHS AND 9 MONTHS EARLIER. NOW AT DEALERSHIP, BATTERY REHOOKED UP, EVERYTHING IS FINE.
- NHTSA ID
- 10969737
- Incident
- Mar 30, 2017
- Mileage
- 104,500 mi
Electrical
Filed Oct 18, 2016
HORN NOT WORKING BECAUSE OF CLOCK SPRING FAILURE. DEALER REFUSE TO REPLACE CLOCK SPRING BASED ON RECALL 16V-290 RECALL DATE: JUNE 28, 2016. DEALER SAID THAT THEY SCANNED FOR CODES FOR AIR BAG FAILURE AND DID NOT FIND ANY. THOUGH, CLOCK SPRING HAS FAILED AND IT HAS DISABLED THE VEHICLE'S HORN.
- NHTSA ID
- 10916826
- Incident
- Oct 14, 2016
- Mileage
- 92,400 mi
Driver assistanceElectricalExterior lighting
Filed Sep 23, 2016
THIS PROBLEM STARTED IN MID AUUST 2016 AND IS STILL GOING ON ....WIPERS GOING OFF N ON BY THEMSELVES, HORN BLARING, LIGHTS BLINKING ON N OFF, SIGNM=AL LIGHTS NOT WORKING AT TIMES, JEEP WONT MOVE FORWARD AT TIMES, STEERING GETS HARD TO MANAGE, CHECK ENGINE LIGHT GOES OF AND ON ALL THE TIME..... THIS HAPPENS AT ANYTIME OR ANYWHERE....CAN GO ON FOR ABOUT 2-3 MINUTES...PEOPLE START STARING AS IF I AM CRAZY BLOWING THE HORN AT THEM AND MY LIGHTS FLASHING THROUGH OUT. THIS SHOULD DEFINITELY BE A RECALLED ISSUE BASED ON THE 2007 JEEP WRANGLER HAVING THE SAME ISSUE...FOR ALL I KNOW THE 2008 JEEPS WERE PROBABLY INTALLED PARTS FROM THE LINE FROM THE 2007 JEEP WRANGLERS WHICH HAD PROBLEMS WITH THE TICM......I AM TRYING TO GET ESTIMATES RIGHT NOW BUT THE TCIM PART ALONE COSTS $425 OR MRE PLUS LABOR AND ADDITIONAL FOR PROGRAMMING......THIS IS RIDICULOUS!!!!! SOMETIMES IT HAPPENS WHEN STOPPED AT THE LIGHT WITH VEHICLE ON AND SOMETIMES WHEN DRIVING..HARD TO MANUEVER CAR WHEN DRIVING DUE TO DIFFICULT STEERING
- NHTSA ID
- 10908916
- Incident
- Aug 19, 2016
- Mileage
- 144,268 mi
ElectricalEngineVisibility
Filed Aug 8, 2016
JEEP WILL START HONKING HORN, WIPERS ON , WASHER FLUID SHOOTING OUT, DOOR LOCKS WON'T WORK. THEN IT ALL CLEARS UP, THERE ARE TIME WHEN THE BATTERY HAS TO BE DISCONNECTED . BUT ONE DAY WHILE DRIVING TO WORK. ALL BELLS AND LIGHTS WENT ON, WIPERS ON HIGH, HORN WAS STUCK ON, AND THEN ENGINE JUST DIES! LUCKILY I HAD ENOUGH SPEED TO GET IT TO THE SHOULDER. JUMPED OUT TO PULL THE HORN WIRE, I WAS IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA AT 5 A.M. WHEN ALL OF A SUDDEN ENGINE STARTED BACK UP, WITH THE KEYS IN MY POCKET! EVERYTHING FINALLY STOP RUNNING AND I WENT ON TO MY JOB RELUCTANTLY. NOW SPORADICALLY THE WIPERS GO ON, DOORS WON'T UNLOCK, ENGINE WON'T START, HORN BLARES, WASHER FLUID GOES ON ALL BY THERE SELF. THIS IS MY ONLY CAR TO DRIVE, I'M GOING TO AN INDEPENDENT DEALER TO GET IT HOOKED UP TO SCAN THE COMPUTER, AND HOPEFULLY FIND THE PROBLEM.
- NHTSA ID
- 10893904
- Incident
- May 26, 2016
- Mileage
- 89,900 mi
AirbagsElectrical
Filed Jul 5, 2016
AIR BAG LIGHT GOES ON AND OFF WHILE DRIVING. MY ISSUE SEEMS CONSISTENT WITH RECALLS DUE TO CLOCK SPRING FAILURE IN RIGHT HAND MODEL JEEPS. CALL TO CHRYSLER CONFIRMED AS SUCH, BUT THEY WON'T COMMIT TO FIX UNTIL RECALL INVESTIGATION UNDERWAY IS CONCLUDED.
- NHTSA ID
- 10882815
- Incident
- Jun 12, 2016
ElectricalEngine
Filed Jun 29, 2016
PURCHASED THE CAR BRAND NEW IN 2008. APPROXIMATELY TWO YEARS LATER , I BEGAN HAVING PROBLEMS WITH THE CAR STARTING. PUT THE KEY IN THE IGNITION, TURN IT AND YOU HEAR A CLICK. INITIALLY, IT SEEMED TO OCCUR SPORADICALLY NORMALLY AFTER IT RAINED . NOW, THE PROBLEM OCCURS MORE FREQUENTLY (DAILY) ABSENT ANY RAIN. I'VE REPLACED THE BATTERY, ALTERNATOR AND STARTER TO NO AVAIL. I ALSO TOOK THE CAR TO A JEEP DEALER TO NO AVAIL .
- NHTSA ID
- 10881376
- Incident
- Jan 1, 2010
- Mileage
- 20,000 mi
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