2003 Chevrolet Monte Carlo Problems

I keep rewriting this because for some reason it keeps timing out everytime I look for the video to attach. I brought the car to taska twice for underhood fire and ignition. No head gasket got fixed no spark plugs there is several issues water keeps getting in tires are rotted electrical problems and now head gasket is messed up because the hood wasn't put on till afterwards for the recall the ignition is still not fixed. Last time I drove it back it stalled out and smelled over heated

The service manager told me the Engine cover will be removed and NOT replaced. This downgrades the vehicle as the engine cover is part of the appearance element and gives a certain amount of protection to some components and wiring harnesses. It will soon be a Classic and the engine cover is part of the original equiptment that needs to be on it. There is NO logical reason the valve cover gasket cannot be replaced AND keep the engine cover in place. Thank you for your help.

I keep rewriting this because for some reason it keeps timing out everytime I look for the video to attach. I brought the car to taska twice for underhood fire and ignition. No head gasket got fixed no spark plugs there is several issues water keeps getting in tires are rotted electrical problems and now head gasket is messed up because the hood wasn't put on till afterwards for the recall the ignition is still not fixed. Last time I drove it back it stalled out and smelled over heated

Vehicle stalls when starting. While driving vehicle may shut off when moving on highway if you are not pushing on gas pedal. May be due to faulty EGR or emissions component

TL* THE CONTACT OWNS A 2003 CHEVROLET MONTE CARLO. WHILE DRIVING VARIOUS SPEEDS, THE CHECK ENGINE, SERVICE TRACTION, AND ABS WARNING INDICATORS ILLUMINATED. THE VEHICLE WAS TAKEN TO AN INDEPENDENT MECHANIC TO BE DIAGNOSED. THE CONTACT WAS INFORMED THAT THE FRONT WHEEL HUB WITH THE ABS SENSOR NEEDED TO BE REPLACED. THE CONTACT STATED THAT THE FRONT DRIVER AND PASSENGER SIDE WHEEL HUBS WERE REPLACED; HOWEVER, THE FAILURE RECURRED. NEITHER THE MANUFACTURER NOR THE DEALER WERE CONTACTED OR NOTIFIED. THE APPROXIMATE FAILURE MILEAGE WAS 127,856.

I OWN A PRISTINE 2003 MONTE SS, STORED EVERY WINTER AND MAINTAINED BY MY MECHANIC HUSBAND. I HAVE 2 ISSUES WITH THE CAR. FIRST, I NEVER USE MY BRIGHT LIGHTS BECAUSE MY HEADLIGHTS GO OUT IF I DO. SECOND I AM HAVING BRAKE ISSUES. I HAVE HAD THE SAME THING WITH A SILVERADO TRUCK BEFORE. ABS WOULD COME ON A SLOW SPEEDS WHEN NOT NEEDED, DRY PAVEMENT OR GRAVEL. REALLY SCARES ME BECAUSE I HAD AN ACCIDENT IN MY SILVERADO TRUCK FROM THIS SAME PROBLEM. NOW MY ABS LIGHT AND SERVICE TRACTION CONTROL ARE ALWAYS ON AND NOT WORKING. I HAVE BEEN A DIE HARD CHEVY OWNER BUT I AM SO UNHAPPY WITH THE BREAK SYSTEMS IN THEM. I HAVE ANOTHER FOREIGN CAR THAT I DRIVE IN THE WINTER AND LOVE THE BRAKES.

MY CAR IS A 2003 MONTE CARLO, IF I TRY TO USE THE DIRECTIONAL SIGNALS THEY MAKE A BUZZING SOUND AND THEN THE BRAKE LIGHT AND THE AIR BAG LIGHT COMES ON ALONG WITH THE BATTERY LIGHT, NO SIGNAL WORKS, THE HAZARD LIGHTS WORK , I REPLACED THE HAZARD SWITCH BUT THAT DIDNT SOLVE IT . BATTER IS FINE AND THE ALTERNATOR I HAD THEM CHECKED THERE IS NO RELAY FOR THE DIRECTIONALS ITS ALL IN ONE . SOMETHING IS STRANGE GOING ON I ALSO NOTICED SOMETIMES WHEN YOUR DRIVING THE THOSE THREE LIGHTS WILL START COMING ON AS WELL . I HAD PUT UP THE WINDOWS AND THEY ALL WENT ON TOO , SOMETIMES JUST WHEN DRIVING IT OR EVEN STOPPED HAD THIS CAR SINCE IT WAS BRAND NEW NEVER HAD A PROBLEM TILL A FEW WEEKS AGO

I TOOK MY 2003 CHEVY MONTE CARLO INTO CIRCLE CHEVROLET IN SHREWSBURY, N.J. BECAUSE MY CAR'S AIR BAG SYMBOL HAD CAME ON ON MY DASH BOARD. IT HAD INITIALLY CAME ON SATURDAY JULY 2 IN THE LATE AFTERNOON. I IMMEDIATELY CAME HOME AND DID NOT DRIVE MY CAR UNTIL JULY 6, 2016 FOR SERVICE.... BECAUSE THE CARS OWNER MANUAL SAYS ON PAGE 3-30 " IF THE AIR BAG READINESS LIGHT STAYS ON AFTER YOU START THE VEHICLE OR COMES ON WHEN YOU ARE DRIVING, YOUR AIR BAG SYSTEM MAY NOT WORK PROPERLY. HAVE YOUR CAR SERVICED RIGHT AWAY. " SERVICE TOLD ME IT WOULD TAKE ABOUT 1 1/2 HOURS TO LOOK AT IT. I WAS THERE 4 HOURS INSTEAD ! THEN THEY CHARGED ME $ 123.05. TOLD ME THEY COULD NOT CHECK THE CAR UNLESS THE LIGHT WAS ON. THEY NEVER TOLD ME TILL THE END. BUT THEY MANAGED TO GIVE ME A LAUNDRY LIST OF OTHER THINGS, THAT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE AIR BAG ! I HAD TOLD THEM I AM DISABLED. MY NECK IS FUSED AND THE LAST THING I NEED IS FOR THE AIR BAG TO INFLATE OR NOT INFLATE AT ALL. EVIDENTLY, THIS COMPANY HAS NO HEART AND TOOK MY MONEY. THERE HAS TO BE SOMETHING WRONG WITH THE AIR BAG, TO CAUSE THE LIGHT TO BE INTERMITTENT !!!!!!! IN CLOSING .... I ONLY WANTED THEM TO CHECK THE AIR BAG PROBLEM. ONLY FOR THEM TO TELL ME, THE LIGHT HAS TO BE ON FOR THEM TO CHECK THE CAR ?????!!!!! THEY NEVER TOLD ME THAT UNTIL THEY TOOK MY MONEY ! I HAVE NEVER SEEN THE AIR BAG LIGHT SINCE I TOOK OWNERSHIP OF THE CAR IN 2003.

I OWN A PRISTINE 2003 MONTE SS, STORED EVERY WINTER AND MAINTAINED BY MY MECHANIC HUSBAND. I HAVE 2 ISSUES WITH THE CAR. FIRST, I NEVER USE MY BRIGHT LIGHTS BECAUSE MY HEADLIGHTS GO OUT IF I DO. SECOND I AM HAVING BRAKE ISSUES. I HAVE HAD THE SAME THING WITH A SILVERADO TRUCK BEFORE. ABS WOULD COME ON A SLOW SPEEDS WHEN NOT NEEDED, DRY PAVEMENT OR GRAVEL. REALLY SCARES ME BECAUSE I HAD AN ACCIDENT IN MY SILVERADO TRUCK FROM THIS SAME PROBLEM. NOW MY ABS LIGHT AND SERVICE TRACTION CONTROL ARE ALWAYS ON AND NOT WORKING. I HAVE BEEN A DIE HARD CHEVY OWNER BUT I AM SO UNHAPPY WITH THE BREAK SYSTEMS IN THEM. I HAVE ANOTHER FOREIGN CAR THAT I DRIVE IN THE WINTER AND LOVE THE BRAKES.

LOW BEAM HEADLIGHT FAILURE, BOTH LOW BEAMS AND DAYTIME RUNNING LIGHTS DO NOT WORK. TAILLIGHTS WORK, PARKING LIGHTS WORK. *TR

OWNED SINCE 2007, NO RECALLS ACTIVE, OLDER RECALL REPLACED INTERMEDIATE STEERING SHAFT, HAVE SAME PROBLEM AGAIN! ALSO ABS/TRACTION CONTROL/SPEED SENSORS ISSUE: HUMMING,GRINDING,TRAC OFF LIGHTS,ABS LIGHTS. COMMON ISSUE WITH THESE CARS YET NO FIX BY G.M ??

MY CAR IS A 2003 MONTE CARLO, IF I TRY TO USE THE DIRECTIONAL SIGNALS THEY MAKE A BUZZING SOUND AND THEN THE BRAKE LIGHT AND THE AIR BAG LIGHT COMES ON ALONG WITH THE BATTERY LIGHT, NO SIGNAL WORKS, THE HAZARD LIGHTS WORK , I REPLACED THE HAZARD SWITCH BUT THAT DIDNT SOLVE IT . BATTER IS FINE AND THE ALTERNATOR I HAD THEM CHECKED THERE IS NO RELAY FOR THE DIRECTIONALS ITS ALL IN ONE . SOMETHING IS STRANGE GOING ON I ALSO NOTICED SOMETIMES WHEN YOUR DRIVING THE THOSE THREE LIGHTS WILL START COMING ON AS WELL . I HAD PUT UP THE WINDOWS AND THEY ALL WENT ON TOO , SOMETIMES JUST WHEN DRIVING IT OR EVEN STOPPED HAD THIS CAR SINCE IT WAS BRAND NEW NEVER HAD A PROBLEM TILL A FEW WEEKS AGO

JUST PURCHASED 2003 CHEVROLET MONTE CARLO LS 2D TODAY, VEHICLE HAS 1ST GEAR ENGAGEMENT (SLIPS), WHEN PULLING OFF FROM STATIONARY POSITION VEHICLE WILL LOSE POWER THEN JERK/CLUNK FORWARD LIKE BEING HIT FROM BEHIND ONLY OCCURS WHEN PULLING OFF FROM STAND STILL POSITION OR MAKING TURNS, ALSO NOTICED DASH BOARD PANEL IS SEPARATING FROM AIRBAG COMPARTMENT AND GLUE/FOAM SHOWING. *TR

THE CONTACT OWNS A 2003 CHEVROLET MONTE CARLO. THE CONTACT STATED THAT WHEN PULLING OFF FROM A STATIONARY POSITION THE VEHICLE WILL DRAG AND THEN JERK FORWARD LIKE YOU HAVE BEEN HIT FROM BEHIND. THE DEALER HAS NOT BEEN ABLE TO FIND OUT WHAT IS CAUSING THE PROBLEM EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVE SEEN THE PROBLEM ON OTHER VEHICLES. THE PROBLEM DOES NOT HAPPEN WHILE DRIVING; THIS IS A FAILURE THAT ONLY OCCURS YOURE PULLING OFF FROM A STAND STILL POSITION. THE VIN NUMBER WAS NOT AVAILABLE AT THE TIME OF THE COMPLAINT.THE FAILURE MILEAGE WAS 34000 AND THE CURRENT FAILURE 41000.RL

HEATER/AC BLOWER MOTOR OPERATION IS INTERMITTENT. MAY BE COVERED UNDER TSB #030603 NHTSA ID 10001884. WAS INFORMED BY 2 CHEVY DEALERS THAT THIS IS NOT A PROBLEM WITH THIS VEHICLE. GOT YOUR SERVICE #'S FROM AN AUTO QUESTION AND ANSWER ARTICLE IN MY LOCAL PAPER. THE WRITER HAS THE SAME VEHICLE AS THE MINE. AND REPORTS THE SAME PROBLEMS. *TR

2 COMPLAINTS. WHEN STARTING OFF FROM A STOP POSITION AND MAKING A HARD LEFT THE SERVICE TRACTION SYSTEM LIGHT COMES ON AND THE TRAC OFF LIGHT COMES ON AND THE ABS LIGHT COMES ON AND THE CAR MAKES A GRINDING NOISE. ONLY DOES THIS AT THIS TIME. THE SECOND COMPLAINT IS THE OVERHEAD DRIVER CONTROL PANEL WILL NOT COME ON AND THEN AFTER DRIVING A WAYS IT WILL COME ON. WHEN OFF THE AIR OR HEAT OR DEFROST WILL NOT WORK. I HAVE REPLACED IT ONCE AND NOW IT IS DOING IT AGAIN. I HAVE NOT DONE ANYTHING ABOUT THE LIGHTS FOR THE TRACTION. *TR

Vehicle stalls when starting. While driving vehicle may shut off when moving on highway if you are not pushing on gas pedal. May be due to faulty EGR or emissions component

TL* THE CONTACT OWNS A 2003 CHEVROLET MONTE CARLO .THE CONTACT STATED THAT WHILE JUMP STARTING THE BATTERY, IT CAUSED A COMBUSTIBLE FIRE WHICH DAMAGED THE ENGINE COMPARTMENT. THE VEHICLE WAS TOWED TO A LOCAL REPAIR FACILITY WHERE THEY DIAGNOSED THAT THE FUEL PRESSURE REGULATOR WAS FAULTY. AN AUTHORIZED DEALER WAS INFORMED OF THE FAILURE AND THEY STATED THAT THERE WERE NO RECALLS AND WOULD NOT ASSIST. THE VEHICLE WAS NOT REPAIRED. THE FAILURE AND CURRENT MILEAGE WAS 147,000.

I keep rewriting this because for some reason it keeps timing out everytime I look for the video to attach. I brought the car to taska twice for underhood fire and ignition. No head gasket got fixed no spark plugs there is several issues water keeps getting in tires are rotted electrical problems and now head gasket is messed up because the hood wasn't put on till afterwards for the recall the ignition is still not fixed. Last time I drove it back it stalled out and smelled over heated

TL* THE CONTACT OWNS A 2003 CHEVROLET MONTE CARLO. WHILE DRIVING VARIOUS SPEEDS, THE CHECK ENGINE, SERVICE TRACTION, AND ABS WARNING INDICATORS ILLUMINATED. THE VEHICLE WAS TAKEN TO AN INDEPENDENT MECHANIC TO BE DIAGNOSED. THE CONTACT WAS INFORMED THAT THE FRONT WHEEL HUB WITH THE ABS SENSOR NEEDED TO BE REPLACED. THE CONTACT STATED THAT THE FRONT DRIVER AND PASSENGER SIDE WHEEL HUBS WERE REPLACED; HOWEVER, THE FAILURE RECURRED. NEITHER THE MANUFACTURER NOR THE DEALER WERE CONTACTED OR NOTIFIED. THE APPROXIMATE FAILURE MILEAGE WAS 127,856.

MY 2003 MONTE SS HAD BEEN SMOKING AND HAVING PROBLEMS ACCELERATING & SHIFTING AND PUT ON TESTERS AND READ CODE AND I NEEDED A AIR FLOW SENSOR SO I HAD THAT PUT ON, WAS RECOMMENDED I GET TUNE UP SO I GOT THAT, AND HAD JUST PUT NEW BATTERY IN THE CAR. THE FOLLOWING DAY AFTER PUTTING GAS IN THE CAR I WAS LEAVING GAS STATION AND LOST ACCELERATION AGAIN AND THE CAR SMOKED AGAIN. I SOON LOST ALL POWER INCLUDING GAS & BREAKS AND WINDOWS. PEOPLE PASSING BY WERE HONKING AND SAID THE UNDERNEATH OF CAR AND UNDER HOOD HAD FLAMES IN FRONT OF CAR. I HAD TO THROW IT IN PARK AND JUMP OUT BECAUSE THE PEDDLES QUIT WORKING AND THE CAR EXPLODED IN FLAMES AND HAD I NOT HAD MY WINDOW DOWN I WOULD HAVE BEEN LOCKED INSIDE AND COULD HAVE LOST MY LIFE. THE ENGINE AND WHOLE ELECTRICAL WIRE HARNESS HAD CAUGHT FIRE AND THE CAR BURNED UP WITH 3-5 MINUTES. THIS WAS OUR ONLY CAR AND THE ONLY MEANS OF GETTING DISABLED CHILD TO THE APPOINTMENTS HE NEEDED AND TO WORK AND HAS PUT HARDSHIP ON OUR FAMILY. *TR

VERY COMMON PROBLEM WITH TRANSMISSIONS IN THE 2000-2005 IMPALA AND MONTE CARLO MODELS. TRANSMISSION MAKES GOING IN MOTION FROM A STOP DELAYED. TRANSMISSION HAS BEEN SERVICED ON/REPLACED TWICE. HAS CAUSED A MINOR ACCIDENT ONLY BECAUSE BOTH PARTIES WERE GOING SLOW. *TR

PROBLEMS WITH THE SUSPENSION, IGNITION SWITCH, TURN SIGNALS NOT WORKING, SECURITY SYSTEM NOT RESETTING. HAD TO REPLACE THE ECM.

THE WHOLE FRONT END OF THE CAR IS MAKING A NOISE AND IT IS WOBBLING ALL OVER. I REPLACED THE STRUTS AND IT DID NOT HELP IT HAS BEEN WELL MAINTAINED SOMETHING IS JUST NOT SAFE UP THERE IN THE FRONT SUSPENSION.I THINK THEY USED AS CHEAP OF PARTS AS THEY COULD GET.IT FEELS AS IF THERE ARE ZERO SHOCKS ON THE CAR.

OWNED SINCE 2007, NO RECALLS ACTIVE, OLDER RECALL REPLACED INTERMEDIATE STEERING SHAFT, HAVE SAME PROBLEM AGAIN! ALSO ABS/TRACTION CONTROL/SPEED SENSORS ISSUE: HUMMING,GRINDING,TRAC OFF LIGHTS,ABS LIGHTS. COMMON ISSUE WITH THESE CARS YET NO FIX BY G.M ??

JANUARY 11, 2015 2003 CHEVROLET MONTE CARLO - VIN: [XXX], MILEAGE: APPROX 120,000 SINCE OCTOBER 2014, THE CAR SHUTS OFF WHILE DRIVING. I LOOSE THE POWER STEERING AND IT'S VERY SCARY IF YOU ARE ON THE FREEWAY. IT'S HARD TO BRING TO A STOP AND SOMETIMES WHEN I SHIFT TO PARK IT MAKES A HORRIBLE GRINDING NOISE. IT ALWAYS RESTARTS AFTER I SIT AWHILE AND DRIVES LIKE NOTHING HAS HAPPENED. . IT HAS HAPPENED NUMEROUS TIMES AND NOW IT'S HAPPENING MORE OFTEN. IT COULD CAUSE A BAD ACCIDENT. IT'S TO THE POINT I AM VERY SCARED TO DRIVE IT, BECAUSE I NEVER KNOW WHEN IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. LAST WEE IT HAPPENED THREE TIMES. I TOOK IT IN FOR THE RECALL WHERE THEY MODIFY THE KEY. IT DID NOT HELP. MY EXCELLENT MECHANIC SAID HE HAS NEVER HAD A SITUATION LIKE THIS WHERE HE CAN'T FIGURE OUT WHAT'S WRONG. (INCIDENT INFORMATION WILL NOT LET ME ENTER DATES). INFORMATION REDACTED PURSUANT TO THE FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT (FOIA), 5 U.S.C. 552(B)(6). *TR

TL* THE CONTACT OWNS A 2003 CHEVROLET MONTE CARLO. AFTER THE VEHICLE RECEIVED AN OIL CHANGE, OIL WAS SEEN LEAKING FROM THE ENGINE. IN ADDITION, THE VEHICLE OVERHEATED, THE CHECK ENGINE WARNING INDICATOR ILLUMINATED, AND SMOKE EMERGED FROM THE HOOD. THE CONTACT STATED THAT, AFTER REPLACING THE RADIATOR, THERE WAS A COOLANT LEAK. THE CONTACT ALSO STATED THAT THE KEY FOB FAILED TO WORK. FURTHERMORE, THE TIRES WERE REPLACED AND ROTATED, BUT THE TIRE PRESSURE WARNING INDICATOR REMAINED ILLUMINATED. THE VEHICLE WAS TAKEN TO AN INDEPENDENT MECHANIC WHERE IT WAS DIAGNOSED THAT THE OIL LEAK WAS DUE TO A FAULTY CATALYTIC CONVERTER. THE VEHICLE WAS NOT REPAIRED. A DEALER WAS NOT CONTACTED. THE MANUFACTURER WAS INFORMED AND DID NOT ASSIST. THE FAILURE MILEAGE WAS 174,034.

TL*THE CONTACT OWNS A 2003 CHEVROLET MONTE CARLO. AT 18,758 MILES, THE CONTACT'S VEHICLE WAS SHAKING SEVERELY AND WAS TAKEN TO THE DEALER. THE DEALER INFORMED HER THAT SHE NEEDED NEW ROTORS AND BRAKE PADS ON BOTH FRONT WHEELS. THE TIRES WERE ROTATED AND THE FAILURE RECURRED. THE CONTACT RETURNED TO THE DEALER FOR INSPECTION. THE FAILURE HAS BEEN ONGOING FOR THREE WEEKS AND NO ONE HAS CALLED HER BACK TO REPAIR THE VEHICLE. THE VEHICLE IS KEPT IN STORAGE DURING THE WINTER BECAUSE IT IS NOT DRIVEN OFTEN. THE CURRENT MILEAGE IS 34,261 UPDATED 01/08/09 *BF THE CONSUMER STATED THE LET FRONT TIRE HAS FLAT SPOTS AND THE VEHICLE WOULD SHAKE AFTER THE TIRES WERE ROTATED. THE FRONT END OF THE VEHICLE SHAKES. THE ROTORS AND PADS WERE REPLACED. UPDATED 01/09/09. *JB

THE BODY GROUND EFFECTS MOLDING IN THE REAR OF VEHICLE IS SEPARATING FROM THE REST OF BODY. LOOKED UNDERNEATH VEHICLE, AND THE LATCH BROKE THAT HOLDS THE MOLDING INTO PLACE, AND LOOKED LIKE ONE OTHER WAS CRACKING.*AK

AFTER PARKING THE VEHICLE FOR 4 HOURS OR MORE CONSUMER NOTICED SMOKE COMING FROM THE TRUNK. CONSUMER AND A NEIGHBOR EXTINGUISHED THE FIRE WITH A FIRE EXTINGUISHER. DEALER/MANUFACTURER WERE NOT NOTIFIED.*AK

DRIVER'S SIDE SEATBELT RETRACTOR DOES NOT RETRACT THE SEATBELT PROPERLY. ONCE I PARK THE CAR AND RELEASE THE SEATBELT, I MANUALLY HAVE TO PULL THE SEATBELT UP TO THE RETRACTOR. OTHERWISE, THE SEATBELT WILL JUST HANG THERE.

THE DRIVERS SIDE OF THE CAR SUDDENLY STARTED BLOWING ONLY HOT AIR, WHILE THE PASSENGER SIDE WAS COLD. THE AIR-CONDITIONING WAS SET ON MAXIMUM COOL WITH BOTH TEMPERATURE SLIDERS SET TO THEIR MAXIMUM COLDEST SETTING. AFTER CHECKING ON THE INTERNET, I FOUND NUMEROUS MESSAGE BOARDS WITH THOUSANDS OF GM OWNERS COMPLAINING OF THE SAME ISSUE. *TR

TL*THE CONTACT OWNS A 2003 CHEVROLET MONTE CARLO. WHILE DRIVING 40 MPH WITH THE HEADLIGHTS ACTIVATED ON AUTO, THE INTERIOR AND EXTERIOR LIGHTS FAILED TO REMAIN ILLUMINATED. THE FAILURE HAS BEEN OCCURRING SINCE 2004. THE VEHICLE WAS TAKEN TO THE SERVICE CENTER SIX TIMES WHILE STILL UNDER WARRANTY. THE VEHICLE IS NO LONGER UNDER WARRANTY AND THE SERVICE CENTER WILL NOT TAKE THE VEHICLE WITHOUT CHARGING A FEE. THE CONTACT IS UNSURE OF HOW LONG AFTER TAKING THE VEHICLE TO THE DEALER DID THE LIGHTS BEGIN TO FAIL. HE FEELS THAT THE FAILURE WAS NEVER REPAIRED AND IS A SAFETY ISSUE. HE WAS INVOLVED IN A CRASH ONE NIGHT DUE TO THE LIGHTS FAILING TO ILLUMINATE. THE VEHICLE IS A SAFETY ISSUE BECAUSE A SERIOUS CRASH COULD OCCUR FROM DRIVING THE VEHICLE WITH THE HEADLIGHT FAILURE, ESPECIALLY AT NIGHT. THE VIN WAS UNKNOWN. THE FAILURE AND CURRENT MILEAGES WERE 40,000. UPDATED 09/10/08. *LJ UPDATED 09/12/08. *JB