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2004 Ic Ce Owner Complaints

Reports submitted to NHTSA by owners and drivers, shown in full

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Complaints on fileComplaints are reports submitted to NHTSA by owners and drivers. NHTSA does not verify most reports before publishing them, and a complaint does not establish that a defect exists. Volume is influenced by how many of a vehicle were sold, how long it has been on the road, and how much attention an issue has received.
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Latest Mar 13, 2014
Crash or fire reportedComplaints whose submitter recorded that a crash or a fire occurred. These are the reporter's own answers on the NHTSA form, not verified findings.
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Filed in the last 12 monthsReports filed with NHTSA in the trailing 365 days. Recent volume reflects attention and vehicle age as much as anything else.
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Reports on file since Mar 13, 2014

What this page shows

Our database holds 1 NHTSA owner-reported complaint for the 2004 Ic Ce. Each one is a report filed by an owner or driver and published by NHTSA without most of them being verified. A complaint is not a confirmed defect, not a recall and not a manufacturer bulletin. Narratives are shown exactly as filed.

Complaints are reports submitted by owners and drivers to NHTSA. They are not verified and do not establish that a defect exists.

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Interior & seatsOther / unspecified
Filed Mar 13, 2014

THIS DEALS WITH WHAT APPEARS TO BE AN INTENTIONAL ONGOING FRAUD AGAINST NHTSA AND OWNERS OF SOME 9,000 INTERNATIONAL SCHOOL BUSES SOLD THROUGHOUT THE U.S. BETWEEN 8/2002 AND 8/2003. AS OF MARCH 2014 IT APPEARS THAT MANY OF THE 9000 BUSES (STANDARD AND HANDICAPPED) INVOLVED IN THIS APPARENT FRAUD CONTINUE TO PUT ALL OCCUPANTS AT RISK OF INJURY AND POSSIBLY DEATH. IN 8/2002 IC CORPORATION (IC) INSTALLED ACQ TREATED PLYWOOD SUBFLOORS IN ITS BUSES KNOWING IT WAS MORE CORROSIVE THAN UNTREATED WOOD TO METAL FASTENERS (PER ITS OWN TESTING). IC INTENTIONALLY CHOSE NOT TO USE PROPERLY PROTECTED FASTENERS, IN PART DUE TO COST. BY 2003 IC WAS AWARE OF UNPRECEDENTED CORROSION OF SEAT BOLTS, WHEELCHAIR TRACKS AND FASTENERS IN ITS BUSES, CAUSING WHEELCHAIR TRACKS AND SEATS TO COME LOOSE. IN 2/2004 IC DECLARED A SAFETY DEFECT AND NOTIFIED NHTSA. IT APPEARS IC INTERNATIONALLY UNDERSTATED THEIR KNOWLEDGE/CONCERNS. IN 3/2004 A NHTSA RECALL WAS ISSUED (NHTSA RECALL # 04V-097) LIMITING THE RECALL TO THOSE CONTAINING A ?SUR-LOC? WHEELCHAIR TRACK, WHICH APPEARED INTENTIONALLY ERRONEOUS, AS ALL FASTENERS WERE/ARE CORRODING PER IC?S OWN REPRESENTATIONS MADE IN LITIGATION THEY FILED AGAINST OTHERS. FURTHER, A NUMBER OF THE BUSES INCLUDED IN THE RECALL WERE NOT REPAIRED/IMPROPERLY REPAIRED BASED ON EYE WITNESS ACCOUNTS DURING REPAIR INSPECTIONS. COUNSEL FOR IC, THREATENED AN INDIVIDUAL BY STATING THAT IF A CERTAIN PARTY DID NOT OFFER SUBSTANTIAL MONIES TO SETTLE THE CASE, THEY WOULD LIKELY NEED TO INCREASE THE RECALL TO SOME 9,000 BUSES, MAKING CLEAR IC KNEW THE RECALL SHOULD HAVE INCLUDED ALL 9,000 BUSES FROM THE OUTSET. TO DATE IC HAS NOT NOTIFIED NHTSA OF THIS CONCERN. THIS WAS TAKEN AS AN ATTEMPT OF BLACKMAIL OR EXTORTION. DISCOVERY TAKEN IN THE TWO SUITS FILED BY IC IN BOTH FEDERAL COURT (INDIANAPOLIS, IN.) AND STATE COURT (CONWAY, AK.) WILL CONFIRM THE ABOVE. *TR

NHTSA ID
10569023
Incident
Aug 12, 2003

Higher-selling and older vehicles accumulate more reports. Counts are not failure rates and are not directly comparable between vehicles that sold in very different numbers.

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