2004 Ic Ce Problems
Owner-reported complaints filed with NHTSA, grouped by component
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What this page shows
Everything below is an owner-reported complaint submitted to NHTSA about the 2004 Ic Ce, grouped by the component NHTSA recorded on the report. These are not confirmed defects, and they are not recalls. NHTSA does not verify most reports before publishing them, and a category with more reports in it is not evidence that a part is defective.
Complaints are reports submitted by owners and drivers to NHTSA. They are not verified and do not establish that a defect exists.
Reports by component
Ranked by how many owner reports name each component category
- Interior & seats150.0%
- Other / unspecified150.0%
Percentages are of component mentions. A single complaint can name more than one component, so these do not sum to the total complaint count.
Each component in detail
What the reports in each category say, in the owners' own words
Interior & seats
Reports naming seats, latches, locks, linkages and interior fittings.
From owner reports, verbatim
THIS DEALS WITH WHAT APPEARS TO BE AN INTENTIONAL ONGOING FRAUD AGAINST NHTSA AND OWNERS OF SOME 9,000 INTERNATIONAL SCHOOL BUSES SOLD THROUGHOUT THE U.S. BETWEEN 8/2002 AND 8/2003. AS OF MARCH 2014 IT APPEARS THAT MANY OF THE 9000 BUSES (STANDARD AND HANDICAPPED) INVOLVED IN THIS APPARENT FRAUD CONTINUE TO PUT ALL OCCUPANTS AT RISK OF INJURY AND POSSIBLY DEATH. IN 8/2002 IC CORPORATION (IC) INSTALLED ACQ TREATED PLYWOOD SUBFLOORS IN ITS BUSES KNOWING IT WAS MORE CORROSIVE THAN UNTREATED WOOD TO METAL FASTENERS (PER ITS OWN TESTING). IC INTENTIONALLY CHOSE NOT TO USE PROPERLY PROTECTED FASTENERS, IN PART DUE TO COST. BY 2003 IC WAS AWARE OF UNPRECEDENTED CORROSION OF SEAT BOLTS, WHEELCHAIR TRACKS AND FASTENERS IN ITS BUSES, CAUSING WHEELCHAIR TRACKS AND SEATS TO COME LOOSE. IN 2/2004 IC DECLARED A SAFETY DEFECT AND NOTIFIED NHTSA. IT APPEARS IC INTERNATIONALLY UNDERSTATED THEIR KNOWLEDGE/CONCERNS. IN 3/2004 A NHTSA RECALL WAS ISSUED (NHTSA RECALL # 04V-097) LIMITING THE RECALL TO THOSE CONTAINING A ?SUR-LOC? WHEELCHAIR TRACK, WHICH APPEARED INTENTIONALLY ERRONEOUS, AS ALL FASTENERS WERE/ARE CORRODING PER IC?S OWN REPRESENTATIONS MADE IN LITIGATION THEY FILED AGAINST OTHERS. FURTHER, A NUMBER OF THE BUSES INCLUDED IN THE RECALL WERE NOT REPAIRED/IMPROPERLY REPAIRED BASED ON EYE WITNESS ACCOUNTS DURING REPAIR INSPECTIONS. COUNSEL FOR IC, THREATENED AN INDIVIDUAL BY STATING THAT IF A CERTAIN PARTY DID NOT OFFER SUBSTANTIAL MONIES TO SETTLE THE CASE, THEY WOULD LIKELY NEED TO INCREASE THE RECALL TO SOME 9,000 BUSES, MAKING CLEAR IC KNEW THE RECALL SHOULD HAVE INCLUDED ALL 9,000 BUSES FROM THE OUTSET. TO DATE IC HAS NOT NOTIFIED NHTSA OF THIS CONCERN. THIS WAS TAKEN AS AN ATTEMPT OF BLACKMAIL OR EXTORTION. DISCOVERY TAKEN IN THE TWO SUITS FILED BY IC IN BOTH FEDERAL COURT (INDIANAPOLIS, IN.) AND STATE COURT (CONWAY, AK.) WILL CONFIRM THE ABOVE. *TR
Too few reports in this category for a page of its own — they appear in the full complaint list.
Other / unspecified
Reports whose component NHTSA recorded as unknown, or that do not map to one of the categories above.
From owner reports, verbatim
THIS DEALS WITH WHAT APPEARS TO BE AN INTENTIONAL ONGOING FRAUD AGAINST NHTSA AND OWNERS OF SOME 9,000 INTERNATIONAL SCHOOL BUSES SOLD THROUGHOUT THE U.S. BETWEEN 8/2002 AND 8/2003. AS OF MARCH 2014 IT APPEARS THAT MANY OF THE 9000 BUSES (STANDARD AND HANDICAPPED) INVOLVED IN THIS APPARENT FRAUD CONTINUE TO PUT ALL OCCUPANTS AT RISK OF INJURY AND POSSIBLY DEATH. IN 8/2002 IC CORPORATION (IC) INSTALLED ACQ TREATED PLYWOOD SUBFLOORS IN ITS BUSES KNOWING IT WAS MORE CORROSIVE THAN UNTREATED WOOD TO METAL FASTENERS (PER ITS OWN TESTING). IC INTENTIONALLY CHOSE NOT TO USE PROPERLY PROTECTED FASTENERS, IN PART DUE TO COST. BY 2003 IC WAS AWARE OF UNPRECEDENTED CORROSION OF SEAT BOLTS, WHEELCHAIR TRACKS AND FASTENERS IN ITS BUSES, CAUSING WHEELCHAIR TRACKS AND SEATS TO COME LOOSE. IN 2/2004 IC DECLARED A SAFETY DEFECT AND NOTIFIED NHTSA. IT APPEARS IC INTERNATIONALLY UNDERSTATED THEIR KNOWLEDGE/CONCERNS. IN 3/2004 A NHTSA RECALL WAS ISSUED (NHTSA RECALL # 04V-097) LIMITING THE RECALL TO THOSE CONTAINING A ?SUR-LOC? WHEELCHAIR TRACK, WHICH APPEARED INTENTIONALLY ERRONEOUS, AS ALL FASTENERS WERE/ARE CORRODING PER IC?S OWN REPRESENTATIONS MADE IN LITIGATION THEY FILED AGAINST OTHERS. FURTHER, A NUMBER OF THE BUSES INCLUDED IN THE RECALL WERE NOT REPAIRED/IMPROPERLY REPAIRED BASED ON EYE WITNESS ACCOUNTS DURING REPAIR INSPECTIONS. COUNSEL FOR IC, THREATENED AN INDIVIDUAL BY STATING THAT IF A CERTAIN PARTY DID NOT OFFER SUBSTANTIAL MONIES TO SETTLE THE CASE, THEY WOULD LIKELY NEED TO INCREASE THE RECALL TO SOME 9,000 BUSES, MAKING CLEAR IC KNEW THE RECALL SHOULD HAVE INCLUDED ALL 9,000 BUSES FROM THE OUTSET. TO DATE IC HAS NOT NOTIFIED NHTSA OF THIS CONCERN. THIS WAS TAKEN AS AN ATTEMPT OF BLACKMAIL OR EXTORTION. DISCOVERY TAKEN IN THE TWO SUITS FILED BY IC IN BOTH FEDERAL COURT (INDIANAPOLIS, IN.) AND STATE COURT (CONWAY, AK.) WILL CONFIRM THE ABOVE. *TR
Too few reports in this category for a page of its own — they appear in the full complaint list.
Higher-selling and older vehicles accumulate more reports. Counts are not failure rates and are not directly comparable between vehicles that sold in very different numbers.
Elsewhere on this vehicle
Data sources
- NHTSA Office of Defects Investigation — owner-reported complaints and the components recorded on them
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