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2004 Ic Ce

Recalls, owner-reported complaints, investigations and safety data

Data refreshed

Owner complaintsComplaints are reports submitted to NHTSA by owners and drivers. NHTSA does not verify most reports before publishing them, and a complaint does not establish that a defect exists. Volume is influenced by how many of a vehicle were sold, how long it has been on the road, and how much attention an issue has received.
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Latest Mar 13, 2014
Safety recallsA safety recall is issued when a manufacturer or NHTSA determines that a vehicle has a safety-related defect or does not comply with a federal motor vehicle safety standard. Recall repairs are free. Whether a specific vehicle is covered depends on its VIN — a recall listed for a model year does not necessarily apply to every vehicle of that year.
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Latest Feb 10, 2009
InvestigationsNHTSA opens an investigation to examine whether a safety defect may exist. An open investigation is not a determination that a defect exists, and many investigations close without a recall. Investigations can, however, lead to one.
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Crash or fire reportedComplaints whose submitter recorded that a crash or a fire occurred. These are the reporter's own answers on the NHTSA form, not verified findings.
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Overview

Our database contains 1 NHTSA owner-reported complaint for the 2004 Ic Ce, most frequently naming the interior & seats and other / unspecified categories. 9 safety recalls have been issued covering this model year; 2 NHTSA investigations name it; and 3 manufacturer communications are on file.

Complaints are reports submitted by owners and drivers to NHTSA. They are not verified and do not establish that a defect exists.

What owners report

Complaints grouped by the component NHTSA recorded

  • Interior & seats150.0%
  • Other / unspecified150.0%

Percentages are of component mentions. A single complaint can name more than one component, so these do not sum to the total complaint count.

Safety recalls

9 campaigns cover this model year

Recalls apply to specific vehicles, not to every vehicle of a model year. Check your VIN with NHTSA or your manufacturer's dealer to confirm whether a recall affects your vehicle.

Check a VIN on NHTSA.gov

EQUIPMENT:ELECTRICAL

Feb 10, 2009
61,316 units potentially affected
The defect: NAVISTAR IS RECALLING 61,316 MY 2001 THROUGH 2009 IC BE, CE, AND FE MODEL COMMERCIAL AND SCHOOL BUSES MANUFACTURED BETWEEN FEBRUARY 2, 2000 AND JUNE 2, 2008, EQUIPPED WITH AN ENTRANCE DOOR STEPWELL HEATER FEATURE CODE 0048PMS OR 0548001 AND/OR A REAR WALL MOUNTED HEATER FEATURE CODE 0048TAR OR 0048PSX. THE AFFECTED HEATER UNITS MAY FAIL IN LOW SPEED OPERATION CAUSING ELEVATED TEMPERATURES.
The risk: ELEVATED TEMPERATURES CAN RESULT IN A FIRE, POSSIBLY RESULTING IN PROPERTY DAMAGE, PERSONAL INJURY, OR DEATH.
The remedy: AN INTERIM LETTER WAS MAILED ON FEBRUARY 20, 2009, TO COMMUNICATE THE DEFECT AND RECOMMEND ACTION TO MITIGATE THE RISK UNTIL THE FINAL REMEDY AND CUSTOMER NOTIFICATION COULD BE PROVIDED AT A LATER DATE. THE MANUFACTURE FILED AN AMENDED DEFECT REPORT DATED MARCH 27, 2009 ADVISING THAT A FINAL REMEDY HAS BEEN DEVELOPED AND PARTS ARE BEING MANUFACTURED. THE SAFETY RECALL BEGAN ON JUNE 2, 2009. OWNERS MAY CONTACT NAVISTAR TOLL-FREE AT 1-800-448-7825.
NAVISTAR, INCManufacturer number 09501View on NHTSA.gov

ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING

Jul 30, 2008
24,975 units potentially affected
The defect: NAVISTAR IS RECALLING 24,975 MY 2003 THROUGH 2008 IC BE, CE, HC, AND RE SCHOOL AND COMMERCIAL BUSES AND 2002 THROUGH 2008 INTERNATIONAL 3200 AND 3300 MODEL BUSES MANUFACTURED BETWEEN SEPTEMBER 21, 2001 THROUGH DECEMBER 14, 2007, EQUIPPED WITH INTERNATIONAL VT365 ENGINES. THESE VEHICLES MAY EXHIBIT ENGINE HARD START, NO START, OR STALL CONDITIONS DUE TO POSSIBLY DAMAGED TERMINALS IN THE FUSE HOLDER CONNECTOR OF THE INJECTOR DRIVE MODULE (IDM) CLEAN BATTERY POWER CIRCUITS. THE TERMINALS MAY HAVE BEEN DAMAGED DURING ELECTRICAL CONTINUITY TESTING IN THE MANUFACTURING PROCESS.
The risk: THESE CONDITIONS COULD RESULT IN A VEHICLE CRASH, POSSIBLY RESULTING IN PERSONAL INJURY.
The remedy: NAVISTAR WILL NOTIFY OWNERS AND REPLACE THE IDM FUSE HOLDER FREE OF CHARGE. THE RECALL BEGAN ON OCTOBER 3, 2008. OWNERS CAN CONTACT NAVISTAR TOLL-FREE AT 1-800-448-7825.
NAVISTAR, INCManufacturer number 08506View on NHTSA.gov

ELECTRICAL SYSTEM

Jun 5, 2008
51,588 units potentially affected
The defect: NAVISTAR IS RECALLING 51,588 HEAVY TRUCKS, COMMERCIAL BUSES AND SCHOOL BUSES MANUFACTURED BETWEEN NOVEMBER 21, 2000 AND MAY 21, 2008, EQUIPPED WITH ONE OR MORE REMOTE POWER MODULES. THE POTTING MATERIAL THAT ENCAPSULATES THE CIRCUIT BOARD OF THE VEHICLE'S REMOTE POWER MODULE MAY NOT SUFFICIENTLY SEAL THE CIRCUIT BOARD FROM WATER AND CONTAMINATION INTRUSION. IF THE ENCAPSULATION IS COMPROMISED, WATER AND CONTAMINANTS MAY CAUSE AN INTERNAL ELECTRICAL SHORT, POSSIBLY RESULTING IN A FIRE.
The risk: A FIRE COULD CAUSE PERSONAL INJURY OR DEATH.
The remedy: NAVISTAR WILL NOTIFY OWNERS AND REPAIR THE VEHICLES FREE OF CHARGE. THE RECALL BEGAN ON JULY 10, 2008. OWNERS MAY CONTACT NAVISTAR AT 1-280-461-1890.
NAVISTAR, INCManufacturer number 08505View on NHTSA.gov

Safety investigations

NHTSA inquiries naming this vehicle. An investigation is not a finding of a defect.

PE09053ClosedPreliminary Evaluation

STARTER WIRE ABRADES PARKING CABLE

Opened Nov 9, 2009
Closed Feb 3, 2010

ODI BECAMEAWARE OF TWOBUS FIRES THAT RESULTED FROM THE BATTERY/STARTER CABLE RUBBING AGAINST THE PARKING BRAKE CABLE. ODIVISITED THE FLEET, INSPECTED THE BUSES, AND FOUND OTHER BUSES WITHEARLY STAGES OF WIRE/CABLE ABRASION. ODICONTACTED ANOTHER FLEET WITH SIMILAR BUSES AND THEY ALSO IDENTIFIEDABRADING WIRE/CABLES. AFTER COMPLETING THEIR EVALUATION, NAVISTAR HAS DECIDED TO CONDUCT A SAFETY RECALL TO INSPECT, REPAIR AS NECESSARY, AND REROUTE THE BATTERY CABLE AWAY FROM THE PARKING BRAKE CABLE.THE ACTION TAKEN BY NAVISTAR RESOLVES THIS INVESTIGATION.ACCORDINGLY, THIS INVESTIGATION IS CLOSED.

ELECTRICAL SYSTEM:12V/24V/48V BATTERY:CABLESLed to recall 10V010000
PE08034ClosedPreliminary Evaluation

SCHOOL BUS STALLING

Opened May 9, 2008
Closed Aug 28, 2008

THIS PE WAS OPENED AFTER ODI BECAME AWARE OF 7 EVENTS ON SCHOOL BUSES WHERE THE FUSE FOR THE ECMOVERHEATED AND BURNED THE FUSE HOLDER AND/OR FUSE HOLDER TERMINALS.ONCE OVERHEATING OF THE FUSE HOLDER OCCURS, THE FUSE BLADES WOULD NO LONGERBE SECURED IN THE PLASTIC HOLDER, THUS INTERRUPTING THE ELECTRICAL FLOW.THE COMPLAINTS CENTERED AROUNDEITHER A NO-START, HARD START, ERRATIC ENGINE PERFORMANCE OR ENGINE STALLING. ODI WAS ALSO AWARE OF REPORTED BATTERY BOX FIRES. THEPE WAS OPENED TO EXAMINE THE SAFETY SIGNIFICANCE AND GAIN A TECHNICAL UNDERSTANDING OF THIS PROBLEM.AFTER DISCUSSIONS WITH ODI AND FURTHER REVIEW OF FIELD INCIDENTS, IC DECIDED THE PROPER WAY TO HANDLE THIS ISSUE WAS TO CONDUCT A SAFETY RECALL DURING WHICH THEY WILLREPLACE THE FUSE HOLDERS AND THE POWER ELECTRICAL CONNECTOR ON THE AFFECTED VEHICLES.THIS RECALL ACTION RESOLVES THE ISSUES RAISED BY THIS INVESTIGATION. THEREFORE, THIS INVESTIGATION IS CLOSED.

ELECTRICAL SYSTEM:WIRING:FUSES AND CIRCUIT BREAKERSLed to recall 08V353000

Recent owner complaints

Reports submitted to NHTSA, shown in the owner's own words

Interior & seatsOther / unspecified
Filed Mar 13, 2014

THIS DEALS WITH WHAT APPEARS TO BE AN INTENTIONAL ONGOING FRAUD AGAINST NHTSA AND OWNERS OF SOME 9,000 INTERNATIONAL SCHOOL BUSES SOLD THROUGHOUT THE U.S. BETWEEN 8/2002 AND 8/2003. AS OF MARCH 2014 IT APPEARS THAT MANY OF THE 9000 BUSES (STANDARD AND HANDICAPPED) INVOLVED IN THIS APPARENT FRAUD CONTINUE TO PUT ALL OCCUPANTS AT RISK OF INJURY AND POSSIBLY DEATH. IN 8/2002 IC CORPORATION (IC) INSTALLED ACQ TREATED PLYWOOD SUBFLOORS IN ITS BUSES KNOWING IT WAS MORE CORROSIVE THAN UNTREATED WOOD TO METAL FASTENERS (PER ITS OWN TESTING). IC INTENTIONALLY CHOSE NOT TO USE PROPERLY PROTECTED FASTENERS, IN PART DUE TO COST. BY 2003 IC WAS AWARE OF UNPRECEDENTED CORROSION OF SEAT BOLTS, WHEELCHAIR TRACKS AND FASTENERS IN ITS BUSES, CAUSING WHEELCHAIR TRACKS AND SEATS TO COME LOOSE. IN 2/2004 IC DECLARED A SAFETY DEFECT AND NOTIFIED NHTSA. IT APPEARS IC INTERNATIONALLY UNDERSTATED THEIR KNOWLEDGE/CONCERNS. IN 3/2004 A NHTSA RECALL WAS ISSUED (NHTSA RECALL # 04V-097) LIMITING THE RECALL TO THOSE CONTAINING A ?SUR-LOC? WHEELCHAIR TRACK, WHICH APPEARED INTENTIONALLY ERRONEOUS, AS ALL FASTENERS WERE/ARE CORRODING PER IC?S OWN REPRESENTATIONS MADE IN LITIGATION THEY FILED AGAINST OTHERS. FURTHER, A NUMBER OF THE BUSES INCLUDED IN THE RECALL WERE NOT REPAIRED/IMPROPERLY REPAIRED BASED ON EYE WITNESS ACCOUNTS DURING REPAIR INSPECTIONS. COUNSEL FOR IC, THREATENED AN INDIVIDUAL BY STATING THAT IF A CERTAIN PARTY DID NOT OFFER SUBSTANTIAL MONIES TO SETTLE THE CASE, THEY WOULD LIKELY NEED TO INCREASE THE RECALL TO SOME 9,000 BUSES, MAKING CLEAR IC KNEW THE RECALL SHOULD HAVE INCLUDED ALL 9,000 BUSES FROM THE OUTSET. TO DATE IC HAS NOT NOTIFIED NHTSA OF THIS CONCERN. THIS WAS TAKEN AS AN ATTEMPT OF BLACKMAIL OR EXTORTION. DISCOVERY TAKEN IN THE TWO SUITS FILED BY IC IN BOTH FEDERAL COURT (INDIANAPOLIS, IN.) AND STATE COURT (CONWAY, AK.) WILL CONFIRM THE ABOVE. *TR

NHTSA ID
10569023
Incident
Aug 12, 2003

Manufacturer communications

A bulletin sent by a manufacturer to its dealers. Not a recall, and repairs are not necessarily free.

IK-0500013

SUSPENSION:FRONT:SPRINGS:LEAF SPRING ASSEMBLY

IK0500013 - IROS SUSPENSION AUXILIARY LEAF SPRING RATTLE

IK-2200087

STRUCTURE:BODY:DOOR

INTERNATIONAL: BUS ENTRANCE DOOR ADJUSTMENT PROCEDURES. THE FOLLOWING PROCEDURES OUTLINE THE ENTRANCE DOOR BRACKET, CONTROL BAR, ACTUATOR ROD, ELECTRIC DOOR CONTROLLER, AND AIR DOOR CYLINDER AND VALVE ADJUSTMENTS. NO MODEL YEARS LISTED. *PE

IK-2200052

EQUIPMENT:ELECTRICAL:ANTI-THEFT DEVICES; VISIBILITY; VISIBILITY:GLASS, SIDE/REAR; VISIBILITY:WINDSHIELD

INTERNATIONAL: THE EMERGENCY EXIT WINDOW SWITCH, ON CERTAIN BUSES, HAD ACTIVATED AND SENT A FALSE WARNING ALARM, DUE TO VARIOUS WINDOW/FRAME TOLERANCES. MODELS 2004-2005 CE,FE,RE. *PE

Manufacturers file copies of the bulletins they send to dealers with NHTSA. These often describe diagnostic or repair procedures for a known condition. They are not recalls: repairs described in a bulletin are usually only free if the vehicle is still under warranty or the manufacturer has extended coverage.

Compare model years

Complaint and recall counts across every year of this model

Ic Ce by model year
YearComplaintsRecallsInvestigationsIssue Index
2014020
2013020
2012010
2011020
2010020
2009020
2008020
2007020
20061114261.7
20055162
2004Viewing192
2003062
2002020
2001010

Higher-selling and older vehicles accumulate more reports. Counts are not failure rates and are not directly comparable between vehicles that sold in very different numbers. Older model years have had longer for reports to accumulate.