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2005 Ic Ce

Recalls, owner-reported complaints, investigations and safety data

Data refreshed

Owner complaintsComplaints are reports submitted to NHTSA by owners and drivers. NHTSA does not verify most reports before publishing them, and a complaint does not establish that a defect exists. Volume is influenced by how many of a vehicle were sold, how long it has been on the road, and how much attention an issue has received.
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Latest Apr 1, 2014
Safety recallsA safety recall is issued when a manufacturer or NHTSA determines that a vehicle has a safety-related defect or does not comply with a federal motor vehicle safety standard. Recall repairs are free. Whether a specific vehicle is covered depends on its VIN — a recall listed for a model year does not necessarily apply to every vehicle of that year.
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Latest Nov 19, 2015
InvestigationsNHTSA opens an investigation to examine whether a safety defect may exist. An open investigation is not a determination that a defect exists, and many investigations close without a recall. Investigations can, however, lead to one.
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Crash or fire reportedComplaints whose submitter recorded that a crash or a fire occurred. These are the reporter's own answers on the NHTSA form, not verified findings.
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Overview

Our database contains 5 NHTSA owner-reported complaints for the 2005 Ic Ce, most frequently naming the body & structure, brakes and engine categories. 16 safety recalls have been issued covering this model year; 2 NHTSA investigations name it; and 3 manufacturer communications are on file.

Complaints are reports submitted by owners and drivers to NHTSA. They are not verified and do not establish that a defect exists.

What owners report

Complaints grouped by the component NHTSA recorded

  • Body & structure240.0%
  • Brakes120.0%
  • Engine120.0%
  • Other / unspecified120.0%

Percentages are of component mentions. A single complaint can name more than one component, so these do not sum to the total complaint count.

Safety recalls

16 campaigns cover this model year

View all 16

Recalls apply to specific vehicles, not to every vehicle of a model year. Check your VIN with NHTSA or your manufacturer's dealer to confirm whether a recall affects your vehicle.

Check a VIN on NHTSA.gov
15V772000

EQUIPMENT ADAPTIVE/MOBILITY

Nov 19, 2015
271 units potentially affected
The defect: Kingmor Supply, Inc. (Kingmor) is recalling certain model year 2005-2017 IC CE school buses manufactured September 1, 2005, to May 1, 2017, and modified to be equipped with certain model S2005, S2010, S5005, S5010, S5505, and S5510 wheelchair lifts built by the Ricon Corporation. The affected lifts are equipped with folding link arms that may have pivot holes that are too big, allowing the bearings to move out of position.
The risk: If the bearings move out of position, the stowed platform may have excessive movement resulting in failure of the platform mounting. This failure could cause the wheel chair lift platform to fall out of the vehicle when the doors are opened, increasing the risk of injury for the lift operator.
The remedy: Kingmor will notify owners, and Ricon dealers will inspect the link arms for damage or for displaced bearings. The platform will be inspected for cracks. Any damaged parts will be replaced, free of charge. The recall began on December 18, 2015. Owners may contact Kingmor customer service at 1-800-782-4474, or Ricon Customer Service at 1-800-322-2884. Note: These buses and wheelchair lifts were subject to a similar recall in 2014. All vehicles that received that recall remedy are still affected by this recall as well.
Kingmor Supply, Inc.View on NHTSA.gov
10V267000

VEHICLE SPEED CONTROL

Jun 15, 2010
2,085 units potentially affected
The defect: NAVISTAR IS RECALLING CERTAIN MODEL YEAR 2003 THROUGH 2010 INTERNATIONAL TRUCKS AND IC COMMERCIAL BUSES MANUFACTURED FROM DECEMBER 4, 2001 THROUGH DECEMBER 14, 2009 EQUIPPED WITH INTERNATIONAL VT365 ENGINES HAVING ENGINE CALIBRATION PAN2PVR0, PAN2PVR1, OR PAN2PWR. THE ENGINE NORMALLY RESPONDS TO A FAILED OPEN ACCELERATOR POSITION SENSOR CIRCUIT FAULT BY RETURNING THE ENGINE TO LOW IDLE SPEED OF 800 RPM AND DISABLING THE DRIVER'S ABILITY TO INCREASE THE ENGINE SPEED. HOWEVER IF THE OPEN CIRCUIT CORRECTS ITSELF WITHIN 30 SECONDS OF INITIATION, ENGINE SPEED COULD SUDDENLY INCREASE TO A HIGH IDLE SPEED OF 1200 RPM.
The risk: THIS INCREASE TO HIGH IDLE SPEED MAY OCCUR WITHOUT WARNING CAUSING A SUDDEN AND UNEXPECTED SHIFT IN VEHICLE POSITION POSSIBLY RESULTING IN PROPERTY DAMAGE, PERSONAL INJURY, OR DEATH.
The remedy: NAVISTAR WILL NOTIFY OWNERS AND DEALERS WILL REPAIR THE VEHICLES FREE OF CHARGE. THE SAFETY RECALL BEGAN ON JULY 1, 2010. OWNERS MAY CONTACT NAVISTAR AT 1-800-448-7825.
NAVISTAR, INCManufacturer number 10512View on NHTSA.gov
10V103000

SERVICE BRAKES, HYDRAULIC

Mar 16, 2010
5,016 units potentially affected
The defect: NAVISTAR HAS NOTIFIED NHTSA ABOUT A DEFECT IN CERTAIN MODEL YEAR 2010 AND 2011 IC CE, BE, AND FE SCHOOL BUSES MANUFACTURED FROM NOVEMBER 19, 2003 THROUGH FEBRUARY 9, 2010. THE PARKING BRAKE MAY RELEASE IF THE BRAKE SYSTEM ELECTRONIC CONTROL UNIT SOFTWARE MISINTERPRETS INPUT SIGNALS GENERATED FROM CYCLING THE IGNITION SWITCH MORE THAN ONCE AT A SPECIFIC FREQUENCY.
The risk: RELEASE OF THE PARKING BRAKE MAY CAUSE SUDDEN, UNEXPECTED SHIFT IN VEHICLE POSITION POSSIBLY RESULTING IN PROPERTY DAMAGE, PERSONAL DAMAGE, OR DEATH.
The remedy: NAVISTAR WILL NOTIFY OWNERS AND WILL REPAIR THE BUSES BY REPROGRAMMING THE VEHICLE'S BRAKE SYSTEM ECU FREE OF CHARGE. THE SAFETY RECALL BEGAN ON APRIL 2, 2010. OWNERS MAY CONTACT NAVISTAR AT 1-260-461-1890.
NAVISTAR, INCManufacturer number 10505View on NHTSA.gov

Safety investigations

NHTSA inquiries naming this vehicle. An investigation is not a finding of a defect.

PE08034ClosedPreliminary Evaluation

SCHOOL BUS STALLING

Opened May 9, 2008
Closed Aug 28, 2008

THIS PE WAS OPENED AFTER ODI BECAME AWARE OF 7 EVENTS ON SCHOOL BUSES WHERE THE FUSE FOR THE ECMOVERHEATED AND BURNED THE FUSE HOLDER AND/OR FUSE HOLDER TERMINALS.ONCE OVERHEATING OF THE FUSE HOLDER OCCURS, THE FUSE BLADES WOULD NO LONGERBE SECURED IN THE PLASTIC HOLDER, THUS INTERRUPTING THE ELECTRICAL FLOW.THE COMPLAINTS CENTERED AROUNDEITHER A NO-START, HARD START, ERRATIC ENGINE PERFORMANCE OR ENGINE STALLING. ODI WAS ALSO AWARE OF REPORTED BATTERY BOX FIRES. THEPE WAS OPENED TO EXAMINE THE SAFETY SIGNIFICANCE AND GAIN A TECHNICAL UNDERSTANDING OF THIS PROBLEM.AFTER DISCUSSIONS WITH ODI AND FURTHER REVIEW OF FIELD INCIDENTS, IC DECIDED THE PROPER WAY TO HANDLE THIS ISSUE WAS TO CONDUCT A SAFETY RECALL DURING WHICH THEY WILLREPLACE THE FUSE HOLDERS AND THE POWER ELECTRICAL CONNECTOR ON THE AFFECTED VEHICLES.THIS RECALL ACTION RESOLVES THE ISSUES RAISED BY THIS INVESTIGATION. THEREFORE, THIS INVESTIGATION IS CLOSED.

ELECTRICAL SYSTEM:WIRING:FUSES AND CIRCUIT BREAKERSLed to recall 08V353000
PE07034ClosedPreliminary Evaluation

DASH/INTERIOR FIRE

Opened Jul 10, 2007
Closed Oct 12, 2007

BASED ON THE DATA PROVIDED BY INTERNATIONAL AND FURTHER REVIEW OF THE ALLEGED FIRES, A SAFETY RELATED DEFECT TREND HAS NOT BEEN IDENTIFIED AT THIS TIME. A REVIEW OF THE WARRANTY DATA PROVIDED NO ADDITIONAL CLAIMS THAT DESCRIBE STEP-WELL HEATER BLOWER THERMAL EVENTS.NO WARRANTY CLAIMS INDICATE FIRES OR ADDITIONAL PROPERTY DAMAGE TO THE BUS.SIMILARLY, A REVIEW OF 64 APPLICABLE DEALER REPORTS FOUND NO REFERENCE TO SMOKE, FIRE, OR BURNED COMPONENTS.OTHER THAN THE THREE FIRE CLAIMS MENTIONED IN THIS PE, INTERNATIONAL HAS NOT IDENTIFIEDANY OTHER REPORTS OF FIRE RELATING TO THE ALLEGED DEFECT FOR THE 23,000 SUBJECT BUSES.WITH REGARD TO THE THREE FIRES IDENTIFIED, INTERNATIONAL WAS ONLY ABLE TO DETERMINE THAT THE ORIGIN OF THE TWO ELGIN FLEET FIRES OCCURRED IN THE AREA OF THE STEP-WELL HEATER AROUND THE BLOWER MOTOR AREA.THE ORIGIN OF THE ST. PAUL FIRE WAS NOT IN THE AREA OF THE STEP-WELL HEATER, RATHER,BASED ON THE BURN PATTERNS OF THIS UNIT, THE FIRE ORIGINATED TO THE LEFT OF THE STEP-WELL HEATER.INTERNATIONAL PLANS TO CONTINUE TO MONITOR FIELD REPORTS AND WARRANTY CLAIMS RELATED TO THE STEP-WELL HEATER AND THE FRONT ELECTRICAL SYSTEM. NO FIELD ACTION OF ANY KIND IS PLANNED AT THIS TIME.HOWEVER INTERNATIONAL IS CONTINUING THE INVESTIGATION WITH REGARD TO THE ELGIN BUSES TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND THE ROOT CAUSE OF THOSE TWO INCIDENTS.A SAFETY RELATED DEFECT TRENDHAS NOT BEEN IDENTIFIED AT THIS TIME AND FURTHER USE OF AGENCY RESOURCES IS NOT CURRENTLY WARRANTED. THE CLOSING OF THIS INVESTIGATION DOES NOT CONSTITUTE A FINDING BY NHTSA THAT NO SAFETY-RELATED DEFECT EXISTS. THE AGENCY WILL CONTINUE TO MONITOR REPORTS AND TAKE THE APPROPRIATE ACTION IFWARRANTED BY THE CIRCUMSTANCES.

ELECTRICAL SYSTEMLed to recall 09V052000

Recent owner complaints

Reports submitted to NHTSA, shown in the owner's own words

Body & structure
Filed Apr 1, 2014

FLOOR SILLS CRACKED AT BODY TIE DOWNS, TIE DOWNS HOLD BODY ON TO CHASSIS FRAME. *TR

NHTSA ID
10576393
Incident
Oct 28, 2013
Mileage
143,349 mi
Body & structure
Filed Apr 1, 2014

FLOOR SILLS CRACKED AT BODY TIE DOWNS, TIE DOWNS HOLD BODY TO CHASSIS FRAME. *TR

NHTSA ID
10576383
Incident
Nov 7, 2013
Mileage
114,475 mi
Engine
Filed Jan 29, 2007

2005 INTERNATIONAL SCHOOL BUS ,4400 MILES ,TURBO FAILURE, REPLACED TURBO ACTUATOR, DEALERSHIP SAID CORROSION WAS THE CAUSE. *JB

NHTSA ID
10181058
Incident
Jan 29, 2007
Mileage
4,450 mi
Other / unspecified
Filed Oct 12, 2005

1. WHEN THE OUTSIDE TEMPERATURE GETS BELOW 20 DEGREES 2. STOP ARM MALFUNCTION ON BUS MEANS PUTTING CHILDREN IN DANGER 3. BUSES WILL BE PUT OUT OF SERVICE. *JB

NHTSA ID
10139408
Incident
Dec 18, 2004
Mileage
3,000 mi
Brakes
Filed Aug 2, 2005

12/21/04 EMERGENCY BRAKE WOULD NOT RELEASE. 12/30/04 BUS TOWED TO NUTMEG INTERNATIONAL TO BE FIXED 1/31/05 BUSS FIXED/ REPLACED COMPUTER PART IN SYSTEM RETURNED TO SERVICE 2/10/05 BRAKE SERVICE LIGHT CAME ON AND THEN OFF/ CALLED DATTCO INC. THEY TOLD US TO CHECK FLUIDS AND LOOK FOR FLUID LEAKS. THERE WERE NONE LIGHT WENT OFF. 3/9/05 EMERGENCY BRAKE WOULD NOT RELEASE AT PARK OUT. BRAKE EVENTUALLY RELEASED 3/11/05 BUS WAS SENT TO DATTCO INC. IN CT FOR REPAIR 5/5/05 BUS RETURNED TO ME. DATTCO REPLACED FULL WIRING HARNESS IN BUS 6/10/05 EMERGENCY BRAKE LOCKED UP WHILE BUS WAS ON ROUTE WITH SCHOOL CHILDREN DOING 30 MPH WIT NO WARNING. LUCKILY NO ONE WAS HURT. MY MECHANIC AND MYSELF MANAGED TO LIMP BUS BACK TO GARAGE WERE WE CALLED DATTCO INC. 6/13/05 BUS TOWED TO DATTCO INC. IN CT 7/5/05 BUS RETURNED TO US. DATTCO REPLACED MORE COMPUTER PARTS 7/29/05 EMERGENCY BRAKE LOCKED UP DOING BETWEEN 25-30 MPH WITH STUDENTS ON BOARD AGAIN WITH OUT ANY WARNING NEARLY AVOIDING A MAJOR COLLISION AS THERE ARE NO BRAKE LIGHTS THAT COME ON. LUCKILY AGAIN NO ONE WAS HURT. 8/1/05 BUS TOWED TO DATTCO INC. IN CT I THINK THAT ALL INCIDENTS ARE RELATED AND AS YOU CAN SEE THIS IS A VERY SERIOUS SAFETY ISSUE AND I AM HEARING THAT THIS IS NOT THE ONLY BUS THEY ARE HAVING ISSUES WITH THIS NEW EMERGENCY BRAKE SYSTEM. *NM

NHTSA ID
10130964
Incident
Dec 21, 2004
Mileage
2,962 mi

Manufacturer communications

A bulletin sent by a manufacturer to its dealers. Not a recall, and repairs are not necessarily free.

IK-0500013

SUSPENSION:FRONT:SPRINGS:LEAF SPRING ASSEMBLY

IK0500013 - IROS SUSPENSION AUXILIARY LEAF SPRING RATTLE

IK-2200087

STRUCTURE:BODY:DOOR

INTERNATIONAL: BUS ENTRANCE DOOR ADJUSTMENT PROCEDURES. THE FOLLOWING PROCEDURES OUTLINE THE ENTRANCE DOOR BRACKET, CONTROL BAR, ACTUATOR ROD, ELECTRIC DOOR CONTROLLER, AND AIR DOOR CYLINDER AND VALVE ADJUSTMENTS. NO MODEL YEARS LISTED. *PE

IK-2200052

EQUIPMENT:ELECTRICAL:ANTI-THEFT DEVICES; VISIBILITY; VISIBILITY:GLASS, SIDE/REAR; VISIBILITY:WINDSHIELD

INTERNATIONAL: THE EMERGENCY EXIT WINDOW SWITCH, ON CERTAIN BUSES, HAD ACTIVATED AND SENT A FALSE WARNING ALARM, DUE TO VARIOUS WINDOW/FRAME TOLERANCES. MODELS 2004-2005 CE,FE,RE. *PE

Manufacturers file copies of the bulletins they send to dealers with NHTSA. These often describe diagnostic or repair procedures for a known condition. They are not recalls: repairs described in a bulletin are usually only free if the vehicle is still under warranty or the manufacturer has extended coverage.

Compare model years

Complaint and recall counts across every year of this model

Ic Ce by model year
YearComplaintsRecallsInvestigationsIssue Index
2014020—
2013020—
2012010—
2011020—
2010020—
2009020—
2008020—
2007020—
20061114261.7
2005Viewing5162—
2004192—
2003062—
2002020—
2001010—

Higher-selling and older vehicles accumulate more reports. Counts are not failure rates and are not directly comparable between vehicles that sold in very different numbers. Older model years have had longer for reports to accumulate.