Body & structure
Filed Dec 18, 2015
DRIVING ON HIGHWAY HIT A POTHOLE AND HEARD A LOUD THUMP FROM REAR PASSENGER SIDE OF VEHICLE. I DIDN'T THINK MUCH OF IT TILL THE NEXT DAY WHEN I DROVE TO WORK. IT SEEMED EVERY BUMP I GOT THE SAME NOISE. GOT TO WORK,LOOKED UNDER CAR, ALL SEEMED FINE. JUST HAPPENED TO LOOK IN REAR CARGO ARE AND SAW LUMP IN CARPET. THE SPRING WAS POKING UP THRU THE REAR FLOOR !!!! HOW IS THIS NOT A RECALL? AFTER SEEING THE POSTS ONLINE I REALIZE THIS IS COMMON. I NEVER KNEW, BEEN DRIVING VEHICLE FOR 10 YEARS WITH NO ISSUES.
- NHTSA ID
- 10811206
- Incident
- Dec 5, 2015
- Mileage
- 168,000 mi
Body & structure
Filed Jul 21, 2015
TL* THE CONTACT OWNS A 1998 ISUZU RODEO. WHILE DRIVING AT 50 MPH, THE REAR OF THE VEHICLE FAILED TO STAY IN POSITION. THE CONTACT HAD TO CONTINUOUSLY STEER THE VEHICLE TO KEEP THE VEHICLE IN POSITION. THE VEHICLE WAS TAKEN TO AN INDEPENDENT MECHANIC, WHO DIAGNOSED THAT THE SUB FRAME ON THE REAR DRIVER SIDE WAS CORRODED AND FRACTURED AND NEEDED TO BE REPLACED. THE VEHICLE WAS NOT REPAIRED. THE VEHICLE WAS THEN TAKEN TO A DEALER, WHO CONFIRMED THAT THE SUBFRAME NEEDED TO BE REPLACED. THE VEHICLE WAS NOT REPAIRED. THE MANUFACTURER WAS NOTIFIED OF THE FAILURE. THE FAILURE MILEAGE WAS 230,000. THE VIN WAS UNAVAILABLE.
- NHTSA ID
- 10735422
- Incident
- Jul 16, 2015
- Mileage
- 230,000 mi
Body & structure
Filed Dec 5, 2014
REAREND CAME LOOSE DRIVING WENT TO GET CHECK OUT,BAD NEWS CLAMPS HOLDING REAREND TO FRAME CAME APART BECAUSE FRAME RUSTED OUT AND THEIR IS NOTING TO HOLD ON TO BECAUSE FRAME GONE.SO WANT DO I DO NEXT? *TR
- NHTSA ID
- 10662446
- Incident
- Dec 3, 2014
Body & structureSuspension
Filed Oct 6, 2014
AS I WAS DRIVING THE VEHICLE DOWN THE ROAD THE SPARE TIRE AND TRAILER HITCH FELL OFF FROM UNDERNEATH THE VEHICLE ALMOST CAUSING A HUGE ACCIDENT. UPON INSPECTING THE UNDER BODY OF THE VEHICLE I OBSERVED THE REAR FRAME TOTALLY RUSTED OFF AND MISSING. THE REST OF THE FRAME IS BADLY RUSTED ALSO. I JUST PURCHASED THE VEHICLE AND DID NOT KNOW OF THE ROTTED FRAME ISSUE ON THESE CARS. PLEASE HELP AS I DON'T HAVE MONEY TO BUY ANOTHER CAR. *TR
- NHTSA ID
- 10641579
- Incident
- Oct 1, 2014
- Mileage
- 137,450 mi
Body & structure
Filed Sep 10, 2014
ISUZU HAS RECALLED MY 1998 ISUZU RODEO DUE TO FRAME RUST. THE FRAME IS RUSTED TO THE POINT OF IT ALMOST NOT BEING DRIVABLE. THE VEHICLE NOW HAS 183,000 MILES AND EVERYTHING ON IT IS OKAY OTHER THAN THE FRAME. I WAS TOLD THAT THE RECALL HAS EXPIRED. IT IS NOT MY FAULT THAT THE PROBLEM WASN'T ADDRESSED TO ME. I AM JUST ASKING TO GET ANSWERS ON WHAT I SHOULD DO ABOUT GETTING THIS RECALL WORK DONE BECAUSE IT ISN'T FAIR FOR ME TO HAVE TO SUFFER DUE TO A MANUFACTURER DEFECT. *TR
- NHTSA ID
- 10632308
- Incident
- Sep 2, 2014
Body & structureElectricalInterior & seats
Filed May 16, 2014
TL* THE CONTACT OWNS A 1998 ISUZU RODEO. THE CONTACT STATED THAT THE ELECTRONIC DOOR LOCKS INTERMITTENTLY LOCKED THE CONTACT OUT OF THE VEHICLE. THE FRONT DRIVER'S SIDE AND REAR DRIVER'S SIDE DOORS FAILED TO UNLOCK ELECTRONICALLY OR MANUALLY. THE CONTACT MENTIONED THAT THE KEY WAS USED IN ORDER TO UNLOCK THE FRONT PASSENGAR'S AND REAR PASSENGAR'S SIDE DOORS MANUALLY. THE CONTACT ENTERED THE VEHICLE FROM THE FRONT PASSENGERS SIDE OCASSIONALLY. IN ADDITION, THE CONTACT HAD NOTICED THAT THE REAR END OF THE FRAME HAD RUSTED AND CORRODED. THE VEHICLE WAS NOT TAKEN TO A DEALER FOR A DIAGNOSTIC. THE MANUFACTURER WAS NOTIFIED OF THE FAILURE. THE APPROXIMATE FAILURE MILEAGE WAS 143,000.
- NHTSA ID
- 10588981
- Incident
- May 11, 2014
- Mileage
- 143,000 mi
Body & structure
Filed Aug 12, 2013
AFTER RECEIVING RECALL INFO IN 2010 ISUZU DEALER INSPECTED VEHICLE AND TREATED THE FRAME WITH CHEMICAL TO PREVENT FURTHER EROSION. JUST HAD MY TRUCK IN REPAIR SHOP WHEN THEY NOTIFIED ME OF THE UNSAFE CONDITION OF PASSENGER SIDE REAR FRAME. YOU CAN STICK YOUR FINGER THROUGH THE FRAME, BECAUSE IT HAS RUSTED THROUGH. CONTACTED ISUZU TODAY AND THEY REFUSE TO LOOK AT IT. *TR
- NHTSA ID
- 10534990
- Incident
- Aug 12, 2013
- Mileage
- 135,000 mi
Body & structureSuspension
Filed Aug 7, 2013
EXCESSIVE CORROSION RESULT IN THE RIGHT REAR SUSPENSION LOWER LINK BRACKET BECOMING DETACHED FROM THE FRAME, WHICH CAN AFFECT VEHICLE HANDLING AND POTENTIALLY CAUSE A CRASH. *TR
- NHTSA ID
- 10534151
- Incident
- Jul 10, 2013
- Mileage
- 114,000 mi
Body & structureSuspension
Filed Mar 27, 2013
VEHICLE WILL NOT PASS INSPECTION THIS YEAR BECAUSE OF FRAME RUSTING OUT AND OTHER ISSUES WITH THE SPRING BRACKETS AND STABILIZER BAR....ALL ARE RUSTED OUT....RODEO IS NOW WORTHLESS....ISUZU HAD TO KNOW THE FRAME WAS INFERIOR MATERIAL FOR VEHICLES 1998-2002...AND DID NOTHING EXCEPT A WORTHLESS RECALL IN 2011 AND IGNORED THE REST OF THE FRAME OF THE VEHICLE...CONTACTED ISUZU ABOUT THE PROBLEM AND SPOKE TO TWO REPS....BOTH BASICALLY BLEW ME OFF....I ASKED TO SPEAK TO THEIR MANAGER AND WAS TOLD THAT THIS IS AS FAR AS IT GOES....AND THAT IT AIN`T HAPPENING...GREAT CUSTOMER SERVICE!!HOPEFULLY SOMETHING WILL BE DONE ABOUT THIS....I SEE THAT THERE ARE MANY OTHER RODEO AND PASSPORT OWNERS OUT THERE WITH THE SAME PROBLEM...THIS IS A SAFETY ISSUE...SOMEONE IS GOING TO GET KILLED.... *TR
- NHTSA ID
- 10504670
- Incident
- Oct 25, 2012
- Mileage
- 155,000 mi
Body & structureSuspension
Filed Aug 12, 2012
VEHICLE HAS BEEN FEELING UNSTABLE LATELY TO THE POINT OF ALMOST LOSING CONTROL. CLIMBED UNDER THE VEHICLE TO SEE IF I COULD SPOT AN ISSUE AN FOUND THE FRAME TO COMPLETELY ROTTED THROUGH ON THE REAR DRIVER SIDE UPPER SPRING PERCH, WHICH IS COMING THROUGH THE CARGO COMPARTMENT FLOORBOARD. FRAME CAN ALSO BE CRUMBLED WITH THE SLIGHT PUSH OF A SCREWDRIVER AT THE REAR FRAME SECTION. *TR
- NHTSA ID
- 10470291
- Incident
- Aug 12, 2012
- Mileage
- 175,000 mi
Body & structureSuspension
Filed Aug 1, 2012
I WAS DRIVING VEHICLE ON STATE ROUTE. BEGAN HEARING WHAT SOUNDED LIKE SMALL ROCKS OR CINDERS. NOW ON THE ROAD THOUGH. THEN THE CAR STARTED TO SWAY SOME AS I WENT AROUND A TURN. I PULLED OVER AND LOOKED UNDER VEHICLE AND FOUND MY RIGHT REAR SWAY BAR BRACKET HAD RUSTED THROUGH AND THE BAR WAS HANGING ON THAT SIDE TRIED TO WELD A PIECE OF METAL TO FRAME TO MAKE A NEW BRACKET AND DISCOVERED THE FRAME IS ALSO RUSTED THROUGH IN PLACES. MY CAR IS UNSAFE TO DRIVE NOW AND IS BASICALLY TOTALED. I HAVE NO OTHER VEHICLE TO DRIVE. CALLED ISUZU AND WAS INFORMED IT WAS MY PROBLEM NOT THEIRS. *TR
- NHTSA ID
- 10468856
- Incident
- Jul 25, 2012
- Mileage
- 169,585 mi
Body & structureSuspension
Filed Jul 31, 2012
TL* THE CONTACT OWNS A 1998 ISUZU RODEO. THE CONTACT STATED THAT THE UNDER CARRIAGE WAS SEVERELY CORRODED AND EXHIBITED A LOUD NOISE WHEN DRIVING. IN ADDITION, THE FRAME FELT AS IT WAS SEPARATING FROM THE VEHICLE. THE VEHICLE WAS NOT TAKEN TO THE DEALER. THE CONTACT STATED THAT REPAIRS WERE MADE TO THE VEHICLE UNDER NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID NUMBER: 10V436000 (SUSPENSION: REAR) WAS PERFORMED ON THE VEHICLE IN 2010. THE CONTACT BELIEVED THAT THE REPAIR DID NOT CORRECT THE FAILURE. THE MANUFACTURER WAS NOT MADE AWARE OF THE FAILURE. THE FAILURE MILEAGE WAS 117,000 AND THE CURRENT MILEAGE WAS 250,000. UPDATED 8/31/12 *CN UPDATED 09/11/2012 *JS
- NHTSA ID
- 10468474
- Incident
- Aug 1, 2010
- Mileage
- 117,000 mi
Body & structureSuspension
Filed Apr 9, 2012
FRAME RUSTED CAUSING REAR LOWER CONTROL ARM TO FALL OFF ALMOST CAUSING A SERIOUS ACCIDENT VEHICLE PURCHASED 8/22/11 WANT TO KNOW WHY THESE VEWHICLES ARE STILL BE ALLOWED TO BE SOLD. IT IS A KNOWN PROBLEM AND THE RECALL STARTED IN 2010 AND ONLY GOOD FOR 1 YEAR SO I HAVE TO JUNK A OTHERWISE DECENT CAR BECAUSE THE FRAMES ARE JUNK. THESE VEHICLES NEED TO BE TAKEN OFF THE ROADS FOR EVERYONES SAFETY!!!!!!!!!!!!! *TR
- NHTSA ID
- 10454511
- Incident
- Apr 6, 2012
- Mileage
- 177,332 mi
Body & structureSuspension
Filed Apr 4, 2012
OCTOBER 17, 2011, I TOOK MY RODEO TO, HAVE IT SERVICED FOR THE SUSPENSION:REAR RECALL. AFTER SERVICE THE MECHANICS INSPECTION REPORT NOTED THAT: "FRAME CORRODED BADLY, R/F HUB LOOSE, REAR SHOCK HANGING, FRAME ROTTED THRU" AND THAT THE FRONT C/V JOINT HAD RUSTED OFF. THE SERVICE DEPARTMENT, DID NOT ADVISE ME TO DRIVE THE CAR HOME, AS IT WAS A SAFETY ISSUE. OVER THE YEARS I HAVE HAD THE EXHAUST REPAIRED, A NUMBER OF TIMES DUE TO RUST. THIS VEHICLE HAS NEVER BEEN OFF-ROAD, AND HAS ONLY BEEN USED AS TRANSPORTATION TO WORK(ALL HIGHWAY DRIVING). *TR
- NHTSA ID
- 10454153
- Incident
- Oct 17, 2011
Body & structure
Filed Jan 6, 2012
TL* THE CONTACT OWNS A 1998 ISUZU RODEO. THE CONTACT STATED THAT WHILE CHANGING A FLAT TIRE, CORROSION WAS DISCOVERED ALONG THE ENTIRE FRAME OF THE VEHICLE. THE WAS THEN TAKEN TO A LOCAL REPAIR SHOP. THE REPAIR SHOP STATED THAT THERE WAS CORROSION ON THE LOWER BRACKETS AND THE FRAME. THE MANUFACTURER WAS NOTIFIED. THE VEHICLE WAS NOT REPAIRED. THE FAILURE MILEAGE WAS 215,303 AND THE CURRENT MILEAGE WAS 219,695.
- NHTSA ID
- 10442631
- Incident
- Nov 18, 2011
- Mileage
- 215,303 mi
Body & structureSuspension
Filed Dec 7, 2011
WAS DRIVING THE VEHICLE AT 30 MPH WHEN A POP IN THE BACK WAS HEARD AND ALL STEERING CONTROL WAS LOST. WHEN I LOOKED UNDER THE VEHICLE, THE BRACKET THAT HOLDS THE REAR AXLE (LEFT SIDE) HAD BROKEN OFF. FRAME IS GROSSLY RUSTED. WHEN ISUZU WAS CALLED REGARDING THE CURRENT RECALL, WAS TOLD THAT THE NEAREST SERVICE CENTER WAS OVER 3 HOURS AWAY. I AM CURRENTLY IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING THE VEHICLE TO THE SERVICE CENTER, BUT DUE TO DISTANCE THIS IS AN ISSUE. *TR
- NHTSA ID
- 10438838
- Incident
- Dec 6, 2011
- Mileage
- 126,000 mi
Body & structure
Filed Nov 19, 2011
FRAME BASICALLY FELL APART DUE TO SEVERE RUST, WAS GOING 40 MPH AT THE TIME AND THE VEHICLE SWIRVED OUT OF CONTROL INTO THE ONCOMING LANE, LUCKILY FOR ME THERE WASN'T ANYONE USING THE OTHER LANE. *TR
- NHTSA ID
- 10436469
- Incident
- Nov 17, 2011
- Mileage
- 100,000 mi
Body & structure
Filed Sep 6, 2011
TL* THE CONTACT OWNS A 1998 ISUZU RODEO. THE CONTACT STATED THAT WHILE HAVING REPAIRS UNDER NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID NUMBER: 10V436000 (SUSPENSION:REAR), SHE WAS NOTIFIED THAT THE VEHICLE FRAME WAS COMPLETELY CORRODED. THE DEALER STATED THAT THE VEHICLE WAS UNSAFE TO DRIVE SINCE THE CORROSION DAMAGE WAS EXTENSIVE. THE MANUFACTURER WAS MADE AWARE OF THE FAILURE WHO DID NOT OFFER ANY ASSISTANCE. THE VEHICLE WAS NOT REPAIRED. THE FAILURE AND CURRENT MILEAGE WAS 61,000. THE VIN WAS NOT AVAILABLE.
- NHTSA ID
- 10423987
- Incident
- Jul 12, 2011
- Mileage
- 61,000 mi
Body & structureSuspension
Filed Aug 29, 2011
TL* THE CONTACT OWNS A 1998 ISUZU RODEO. THE CONTACT TOOK HIS VEHICLE TO A PRIVATE MECHANIC FOR ROUTINE MAINTENANCE AND WAS INFORMED THE ENTIRE REAR FRAME WAS COVERED WITH RUST. THE DEALER DID NOT OFFER ANY ASSISTANCE. THE MANUFACTURER WAS NOT NOTIFIED OF THE FAILURE NOR WAS THE VEHICLE REPAIRED. THE CURRENT MILEAGE WAS 155,000. THE APPROXIMATE FAILURE MILEAGE WAS 149,000. .. UPDATED 09/21/11 *BF UPDATED 09/30/11.*JB
- NHTSA ID
- 10422396
- Incident
- Jun 1, 2011
- Mileage
- 149,000 mi
Body & structure
Filed Jul 19, 2011
TL* THE CONTACT OWNS A 1998 ISUZU RODEO. THE CONTACT STATED THAT THE VEHICLE WAS TAKEN TO AN AUTHORIZED DEALER TO BE REPAIRED UNDER NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID NUMBER 00V058000 (SUSPENSION: REAR). THE DEALER STATED THAT THE BOLTS AND NUTS FOR THE REAR AXLE COULD NOT BE REPLACED BECAUSE THE SUBFRAME WAS SEVERELY CORRODED AND THE VEHICLE WOULD BE UNSAFE TO DRIVE. THE FAILURE AND CURRENT MILEAGES WERE 125,000. THE VIN WAS UNAVAILABLE.
- NHTSA ID
- 10413589
- Incident
- Jul 13, 2011
- Mileage
- 125,000 mi
Body & structure
Filed May 17, 2011
TL* THE CONTACT OWNS A 1998 ISUZU RODEO. THE CONTACT STATED THAT HE HEARD A BANGING SOUND AND NOTICED THAT THE REAR BUMPER WAS LOOSE. HE FURTHER INSPECTED AND SAW THAT THE ENTIRE FRAME WAS RUSTED. THE VEHICLE HAD PREVIOUSLY BEEN REPAIRED ACCORDING TO NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID NUMBER:10V436000 (SUSPENSION:REAR) BY A PREVIOUS OWNER. THE CONTACT CALLED THE MANUFACTURER WHO STATED THAT THE RECALL HAD BEEN PERFORMED AND DID NOT COVER THAT PART OF THE FRAME. THE VEHICLE WAS NOT REPAIRED. THE CURRENT AND FAILURE MILEAGES WERE APPROXIMATELY 142,000.
- NHTSA ID
- 10401281
- Incident
- May 15, 2011
- Mileage
- 142,000 mi
Body & structure
Filed May 9, 2011
1998 ISUZU RODEO FRAME IS RUSTED/ROTTED BEYOND REPAIR. MECHANIC HAS ADVISED VEHICLE IS NOT SAFE TO DRIVE & FRAME COULD COLLAPSE AT ANY TIME. I HAD THE RECALL 10V-436 DONE BUT FRAME FAILURE IS NOT COVERED. FRAME HAS MULTIPLE HOLES IN IT INCLUDING ONE THAT A FIST CAN FIT THROUGH. *TR
- NHTSA ID
- 10399697
- Incident
- Apr 27, 2011
- Mileage
- 13,770 mi
Body & structure
Filed Apr 5, 2011
IN REGARDS TO CURRENT SAFETY RECALL NO. 10V-436, I OWN A 1998 ISUZU RODEO WHICH HAS BEEN FOUND UNREPAIRABLE BY THE VEHICLE INSPECTORS I WAS SENT TO BY ISUZU IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE SAFETY RECALL NOTICE I RECIEVED IN DECEMBER 2010. AS THE RECALL NOTICE STATES, WHEN REPAIR IS NOT POSSIBLE, AN ALTERNATIVE REMEDY WILL BE PROVIDED. MY INSPECTION APPOINTMENT WS MARCH 16, 2010. MY VEHICLE FAILED THE SAFETY AND REPAIRABLE CONDITIONS NECESSARY FOR THE VEHICLE TO BE DRIVEABLE. I NEVER GOT MY VEHICLE BACK. I IS STILL THERE. THREE WEEKS HAVE PASSED, NO REMEDY HAS BEEN OFFERED. I HAVE NO MEANS OF TRANSPORTATION. THE ONLY COMMUNICATION I HAVE HAD IS ONE PHONE CALL OFFERING A BUYBACK OF 1/2 THE WORTH OF THE VEHICLE, $2500.00. I DECLINED THIS OFFER AS IT IS UNFAIR, UNJUST, AND I BELIEVE, ILLEGAL. I WAS TOLD THAT I WOULD RECIEVE PAPERWORK IN THE MAIL AND ANOTHER OFFER WOULD BE MADE. THIS HAS NOT HAPPENED. 2 WEEKS HAVE PASSED WITH NO COMMUNICATIONS. I HAVE MADE THREE ATTEMPTS TO CALL THE PHONE NUMBER I WAS GIVEN, HAVE BEEN PUT ON HOLD FOR OVER 30 MIN EACH TIME, AT WHICH TIME I COULD NO LONGER WAIT. I BELIEVE THEY ARE NOT ANSWERING THE CALLS AND HAVE NO INTENTIONS OF MAKING THIS RIGHT. THEY ARE NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE SAFETY RECALL. PLEASE INVESTIGATE. *TR
- NHTSA ID
- 10394282
- Incident
- Mar 16, 2011
- Mileage
- 127,000 mi
Body & structure
Filed Mar 23, 2011
MY 1998 ISUZU RODEO, 94,000 MI, HAS A LARGE (6") HOLE IN THE FRAME BEHIND THE RIGHT REAR WHEEL. THIS HOLE WAS DISCOVERED YESTERDAY WHEN I TOOK MY CAR TO LIBERTY MAZDA IN WAKEFIELD, MA FOR A ROUTINE OIL CHANGE. THIS FRAME DAMAGE WAS NOT PRESENT ON DECEMBER 20, 2010 WHEN I HAD WORK DONE FOR SAFETY RECALL NO. 10V-436 AT CORNERSTONE MITSUBISHI IN WILMINGTON, MA. THE HOLE IN THE FRAME SHOWS EXTENSIVE RUST AND A LARGE CHUNK SIMPLY FELL OUT WHILE I WAS DRIVING. THE CAR NEEDS A NEW FRAME OR IS UNDRIVABLE AS AN EXTREME SAFETY HAZARD. I WAS TOLD THAT IT WOULD COST APPROXIMATELY $8000 TO REPAIR THIS VEHICLE WHICH HAS AN ESTIMATED VALUE OF LESS THAN HALF THAT AMOUNT. OTHER THAN THE FRAME, THE CAR RUNS GREAT AND I HAVE SPENT THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS IN THE PAST FEW YEARS (AT LEAST 8000) TO REPLACE THE ENGINE IN MAY, 2008 (CRACKS IN CYLINDER), REPLACE THE RADIATOR (TWICE; 2007 AND 2010), BRAKE WORK, AMONG OTHER EXPENSIVE REPAIRS. NOW THE CAR IS A SAFETY HAZARD AND I AM WITHOUT TRANSPORTATION UNLESS THE FRAME IS REPLACED. *TR
- NHTSA ID
- 10392594
- Incident
- Mar 22, 2011
- Mileage
- 94,201 mi
Body & structure
Filed Mar 21, 2011
TL* THE CONTACT OWNS A 1998 ISUZU RODEO. THE CONTACT RECEIVED NOTIFICATION OF NHTSA RECALL NUMBER: 10V436000 ( SUSPENSION:REAR) AND TOOK THE VEHICLE TO THE DEALER FOR REPAIRS. THE DEALER INFORMED HIM THAT THE ENTIRE FRAME WAS SEVERELY RUSTED BEYOND REPAIR. THE MANUFACTURER OFFERED TO REPURCHASE THE VEHICLE FOR $1,000. NO FURTHER ASSISTANCE WAS PROVIDED. THE CURRENT AND FAILURE MILEAGE WAS 124,000. THE VIN WAS UNAVAILABLE.
- NHTSA ID
- 10392377
- Incident
- Feb 1, 2011
- Mileage
- 124,000 mi
Higher-selling and older vehicles accumulate more reports. Counts are not failure rates and are not directly comparable between vehicles that sold in very different numbers.