STRUCTURE:BODY:DOOR; VISIBILITY:GLASS, SIDE/REAR
2004 Mci D4500
Recalls, owner-reported complaints, investigations and safety data
Data refreshed
Overview
Our database contains 1 NHTSA owner-reported complaint for the 2004 Mci D4500, most frequently naming the steering category. 7 safety recalls have been issued covering this model year; 2 NHTSA investigations name it; and 4 manufacturer communications are on file.
Complaints are reports submitted by owners and drivers to NHTSA. They are not verified and do not establish that a defect exists.
Complaint activity over time
When owners filed reports about this model year
Not enough dated records to plot a meaningful trend — 1 month of data.
What owners report
Complaints grouped by the component NHTSA recorded
- Steering1100.0%
Percentages are of component mentions. A single complaint can name more than one component, so these do not sum to the total complaint count.
Safety recalls
7 campaigns cover this model year
Recalls apply to specific vehicles, not to every vehicle of a model year. Check your VIN with NHTSA or your manufacturer's dealer to confirm whether a recall affects your vehicle.
Check a VIN on NHTSA.govELECTRICAL SYSTEM
EQUIPMENT ADAPTIVE/MOBILITY
Safety investigations
NHTSA inquiries naming this vehicle. An investigation is not a finding of a defect.
MCI Drive Shaft Safety Loop Failures
In the fall of 2011, network contacts made ODI aware of four (4) incidents of drive shaft failure on the subject buses involving a loss of vehicle control.Two of the incidents were relatively low speed non-crash events; and two resulted in motor coach rollovers.All four events showed signs of a common failure mode.The incidents and crashes studied during this investigation all resulted from a series of complex events that began with the the yoke journal ears on the drive shafts fracturing.Once the drive shaft failed. it was not adequately contained by a drive shaft safety loop or structure.The spinning and unrestrained drive shaft caused severe damage to components on the steerable tag axle at the rear of the vehicle and created a forced steering condition.Once the rear of the bus was being forcibly steered by the tag axle, the driver lost control of the vehicle.These conclusions are based on the forensics evidence and testing conducted by the Vehicle Research and Test Center (VRTC).The VRTC test report is attached to this closing resume that provides details on how the test center was able to conclusively identify the defective components on the buses and demonstrate the sequence of events that caused the buses to crash.Prior to the drive shaft failure events, there were no indications of improper maintenance or that maintenance was required that would have prevented the incidents.Additionally, the U-joints on the incident vehicles were found to be in good working condition at the time of the failure. Finally, records of driver interviews indicated a sudden onset of the failure with no warning.Following the VRTC testing, MCI issued recall 14V-335 involving certain model year 1993-1995 102DL3 motor coaches manufactured November 1992 to January 1995, and 2006 and 2008 D4505 motor coaches manufactured June 2005 to April 2008.The affected buses are equipped with a drive shaft with a compressed length of 30 inches or less (allowing it to escape containment if it fails), a steerable trailing tag axle equipped with a system that changes the axle caster when the vehicle is in reverse travel and no electronic stability control (ESC).Recall 14V-335 addresses the concerns of this investigation.The ODI report cited above can be viewed at www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/owners/SearchNHTSAID: ODI Number 10447575.
MCI Driveshaft Safety Loop Failures
ODI has identified certain MCI coaches with powertrain configurations that may allow a driveshaft separated at the rearward universal joint to escape the guardian structure of the steerable tag axle and damage steering and braking components.The damaged components may increase the risk of a loss of vehicle control. The subject coaches include 806 model year 1992 through 2012 MCI D and E series motor coaches with steerable tag axles.This Preliminary Evaluation is being upgraded to an Engineering Analysis (EA12-007) to further study the alleged defect and to determine if a safety defect exists. The ODI report cited above can be viewed at www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/owners/SearchNHTSAID: ODI Number 10447575.
Recent owner complaints
Reports submitted to NHTSA, shown in the owner's own words
TL*- THE CONTACTLOST CONTROL OF A 2004 MCI F3500 COACH AT A SPEED OF 30 MPH. THE FAILURE AND CURRENT MILEAGE WERE BOTH 250000. THE CONTACT HAD THE VEHICLE TOWED TO A FACILITY IN ST. LOUIS, WHERE HE WAS TOLD UPON ARRIVAL THAT THE STEERING PIVOT POINT RIPPED FROM THE FRAME OF THE VEHICLE, AND WAS INOPERABLE. HE CALLEDF THE MANUFACTURER THEY HAD IT TOWED TO THE REPAIR CENTER. THE FRAME WAS WEAK, AND THEY WANTED TO WIRE NEW FRAME MATERIAL, WHICH THEY HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO LOCATE TO REPAIR THE VEHICLE. HE DID NOT KNOW IF THIS HAPPENED TO ANY OTHER MOTOR COACH ON THE ROAD . ONCE THE MANUFACTURER REPAIRED THIS PROBLEM HE HA TO PAY FOR IT, BUT HE KNEW THAT THIS WAS A SAFETY PROBLEM AND WOULD LIKE TO RECEIVE A REIMBURSEMENT. *AK
- NHTSA ID
- 10183086
- Incident
- Feb 13, 2007
- Mileage
- 250,000 mi
Manufacturer communications
A bulletin sent by a manufacturer to its dealers. Not a recall, and repairs are not necessarily free.
ELECTRICAL SYSTEM
This Service Bulletin informs owners of the procedure to clean the batteries and reapply corrosion inhibitor every 6000 miles or 3 months, whichever first occurs.
MOTOR COACH INDUDSTRIES: INFORMATION ON REPLACING THE COOLANT PUMP THAT MAY HAVE A PROBLEM. *RM
POWER TRAIN:AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION; POWER TRAIN:AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION:CONTROL MODULE (TCM/PCM/TECM); POWER TRAIN:MANUAL TRANSMISSION
MOTOR COACH INDUSTRIES SERVICE CAMPAIGN: SEE DOCUMENT SEARCH BUTTON FOR OWNER LETTER. THERE MAY BE A HARSH DOWNSHIFT, RPM FLARE, OR THE TRANSMISSION MAY LOCK. *RM
POWER TRAIN:DRIVELINE:DRIVESHAFT; POWER TRAIN:DRIVELINE:UNIVERSAL JOINT
MOTOR COACH: TAG AXLE/DRIVESHAFT INTERFERENCE-FIXED TAG AXLE. INTERFERENCE DUE TO LIMITED CLEARANCE BETWEEN DRIVE SHAFT U JOINT BEARING CAP BOLTS AND TAG AXLE CENTER BEAM. MODEL YEARS UNKNOWN. *PE
Manufacturers file copies of the bulletins they send to dealers with NHTSA. These often describe diagnostic or repair procedures for a known condition. They are not recalls: repairs described in a bulletin are usually only free if the vehicle is still under warranty or the manufacturer has extended coverage.
Compare model years
Complaint and recall counts across every year of this model
| Year | Complaints | Recalls | Investigations | Issue Index |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2024 | 0 | 0 | 0 | — |
| 2023 | 0 | 1 | 0 | — |
| 2022 | 0 | 2 | 0 | — |
| 2021 | 0 | 2 | 0 | — |
| 2020 | 0 | 8 | 0 | — |
| 2019 | 0 | 8 | 0 | — |
| 2018 | 0 | 7 | 0 | — |
| 2017 | 0 | 5 | 0 | — |
| 2016 | 0 | 5 | 1 | — |
| 2015 | 0 | 9 | 1 | — |
| 2014 | 0 | 8 | 1 | — |
| 2013 | 0 | 5 | 1 | — |
| 2012 | 0 | 7 | 3 | — |
| 2011 | 0 | 9 | 3 | — |
| 2010 | 0 | 10 | 2 | — |
| 2009 | 0 | 11 | 3 | — |
| 2008 | 0 | 8 | 3 | — |
| 2007 | 0 | 7 | 3 | — |
| 2006 | 0 | 9 | 3 | — |
| 2005 | 0 | 10 | 3 | — |
| 2004Viewing | 1 | 7 | 2 | — |
| 2003 | 0 | 7 | 2 | — |
| 2002 | 1 | 7 | 2 | — |
| 2001 | 0 | 5 | 2 | — |
| 2000 | 0 | 3 | 2 | — |
| 1999 | 0 | 1 | 2 | — |
| 1998 | 0 | 1 | 2 | — |
| 1997 | 0 | 1 | 2 | — |
Higher-selling and older vehicles accumulate more reports. Counts are not failure rates and are not directly comparable between vehicles that sold in very different numbers. Older model years have had longer for reports to accumulate.