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2003 Saab 9-5 Owner Complaints

Reports submitted to NHTSA by owners and drivers, shown in full

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Our database holds 47 NHTSA owner-reported complaints for the 2003 Saab 9-5. Each one is a report filed by an owner or driver and published by NHTSA without most of them being verified. A complaint is not a confirmed defect, not a recall and not a manufacturer bulletin. Narratives are shown exactly as filed.

Complaints are reports submitted by owners and drivers to NHTSA. They are not verified and do not establish that a defect exists.

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Fuel system
Filed Dec 12, 2020

I HAD TO REPLACE FUEL PUMP 3 TIMES IN 4 YEARS. IT SMELLED LIKE FUEL IN MY CAR.

NHTSA ID
11383122
Incident
Dec 5, 2020
Mileage
2 mi
Electrical
Filed May 12, 2016

TL* THE CONTACT OWNS A 1993 BUICK REGAL. THE CONTACT STATED THAT ALL DOOR LOCKS WOULD BECOME STUCK WHEN ACTIVATED BY THE ELECTRONIC DOOR LOCK SYSTEM. THE VEHICLE WAS NOT DIAGNOSED OR REPAIRED. THE MANUFACTURER WAS NOT NOTIFIED OF THE FAILURE. THE FAILURE MILEAGE WAS 41,000.

NHTSA ID
10864571
Incident
May 6, 2016
Mileage
41,000 mi
EnginePowertrain (other)
Filed Aug 2, 2014

AFTER DRIVING MY CAR TO MY DESTINATION, I PUT THE CAR IN PARK BUT THE CAR WON'T STAY IN PARK. THE CAR POPS OUT OF PARK INTO REVERSE, THEN IT WON'T START WHEN I GET BACK INTO MY CAR. *TR

NHTSA ID
10618403
Incident
Aug 2, 2014
Mileage
131,000 mi
Electrical
Filed Jul 17, 2014

TL* THE CONTACTS OWNS A 2003 SAAB 9-5. THE CONTACT STATED THAT WHILE DRIVING VARIOUS SPEEDS, THE CHECK ENGINE WARNING LIGHT ILLUMINATED AND THE VEHICLE STALLED. THE VEHICLE WAS TAKEN TO A INDEPENDENT MECHANIC WHERE THE TECHNICIAN DIAGNOSED THAT THE DIRECT IGNITION CASSETTE NEEDED TO BE REPLACED. THE VEHICLE WAS NOT REPAIRED. THE MANUFACTURER WAS MADE AWARE OF THE FAILURE. THE FAILURE MILEAGE WAS UNKNOWN AND THE CURRENT MILEAGE WAS 125,000.

NHTSA ID
10611334
Incident
May 14, 2014
ElectricalFuel system
Filed Mar 19, 2014

I WAS DRIVING THE CAR WHEN SUDDENLY THE CAR WHEN DEAD WHILE I WAS DRIVING IT.I WAS LUCKY THAT I WAS ABLE TO RESTART IT AND THERE WAS A GAS STATION RIGHT NEAR BY. IT DID NOT START UP NORMALLY AND WAS VERY SLUGGISH. I WAS IN THE MIDDLE OF TRAFFIC WHEN THIS HAPPENED BUT FORTUNATELY NOT HEAVY TRAFFIC AND IN THE RIGHT LANE. IT WAS VERY SCARY. THEY TOWED MY SAAB TO A SAAB DEALER FOR ME WHO HAD TO INSTALL A NEW IGNITION. THIS HAPPENED ABOUT 4-5 YEARS AGO ON MY SAAB 2003 9-5 STATION WAGON WHICH WAS BUILT BY GM. I BELIEVE IT WAS BUILT ON THE SAME PLATFORM OF ONE OF THE CADILLACS THAT IS UNDER RECALL. *TR

NHTSA ID
10573322
Incident
Jul 4, 2011
Mileage
50,030 mi
Electrical
Filed Jan 30, 2014

TL* THE CONTACT OWNS A 2003 SAAB 9-5. THE CONTACT STATED THAT WHILE DRIVING 60 MPH, THE VEHICLE STALLED. THE CONTACT STATED THAT THE STEERING WHEEL AND THE BRAKES SEIZED AS THE ENGINE STALLED. THE CONTACT WAS ABLE TO STOP THE VEHICLE WITH THE EMERGENCY BRAKE. THE VEHICLE WAS TOWED TO A LOCAL MECHANIC, WHO PERFORMED A DIAGNOSTIC TEST AND DISCOVERED THAT THE IGNITION DISCHARGE MODULE WAS DEFECTIVE. THE CONTACT REFERENCED NHTSA CAMPAIGN I.D. NUMBER: 06V410000 (ELECTRICAL SYSTEM) AND CALLED THE MANUFACTURER, WHO ADVISED THAT THE VIN WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THE RECALL. THE FAILURE MILEAGE WAS 100,000.

NHTSA ID
10562209
Incident
Jan 19, 2014
Mileage
100,000 mi
Interior & seatsSeat belts
Filed Dec 31, 2013

THE FRONT SEATBELTS FRAY NEAR WHERE THE BUCKLE SECURES THE BELT WHEN IN USE. THE SEATBELT WAS REPLACED WITH OEM PARTS FOR THIS REASON. THE NEW BELT HAS FRAYED AGAIN OVER A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME. OTHERS REPORT SIMILAR PROBLEMS, PERHAPS DUE TO SOMETHING ROUGH ABRADING THE BELT SOMEWHERE ALONG THE BELT PATH. *TR

NHTSA ID
10558047
Incident
Dec 27, 2005
Electrical
Filed Dec 31, 2013

THE HORN OFTEN FAILS TO WORK WHEN THE STEERING WHEEL MOUNTED AIRBAG COVER IS PRESSED. THIS IS AN ONGOING, UNRESOLVED PROBLEM. A DEALER REPLACED A PART UNDER WARRANTY BUT THAT DID NOT FIX THE PROBLEM. I HAVE SEEN SEVERAL OTHER 2002+ 9-5S WITH THE SAME HORN FAILURE ISSUE. *TR

NHTSA ID
10558046
Incident
Nov 22, 2005
Driver assistanceElectricalFuel system
Filed Feb 9, 2013

I WAS DRIVING APPROXIMATELY 30-35 MPH DOWN A FOUR LANE ROAD WHEN THE CAR STALLED LEAVING ME WITH NO POWER AT THE ACCELERATOR. IT BECAME VERY DIFFICULT TO STEER THE CAR AND THE BRAKE PEDAL BECAME VERY HARD TO DEPRESS. LUCKILY I WAS ABLE TO COAST OFF THE ROAD WHERE THE CAR CAME TO A COMPLETE STOP BLOCKING THE ENTRANCE/EXIT OF A GAS STATION. I WAS LESS THEN 200 FEET FROM WHERE I WAS TURNING ONTO THE ENTRANCE RAMP OF A HIGHWAY. THE GAS STATION ATTENDANT WAS VERY UPSET TELLING ME I CAN NOT LEAVE MY CAR THERE. THE CAR WOULD NOT START AFTER SEVERAL ATTEMPTS. THE CAR WAS TOWED TO THE MECHANIC. THE CAR HAS BEEN AT THE SERVICE STATION FOR OVER 2 WEEKS NOW. THE TECHNICIAN IS UNABLE TO FIND THE REASON THE CAR STALLED. HOWEVER HE EXPLAINED THAT THE FUEL PUMP AND THE FUEL PUMP RELAY ARE OPERATIONAL. HE ALSO EXPLAINED THAT THERE IS NO ELECTRICITY GETTING TO THE FUEL PUMP. HE HAS ALREADY REPLACED THE CRANKSHAFT POSITION SENSOR AND IS IN THE PROCESS OF CHECKING ALL SENSORS AND RELAYS. DURING MY OWN RESEARCH, I HAVE FOUND THAT THESE CARS HAVE FAULTY ELECTRICAL SYSTEMS WITH MANY RECALLS ON THE DIRECT IGNITION CASSETTE (DIC). AT THIS POINT, WE DO NOT KNOW WHAT CAUSED THE PROBLEM. I AM A SINGLE MOTHER WITH 2 YOUNG CHILDREN AND RELY ON THIS AUTOMOBILE ON A DAILY BASIS. IN FACT, I HAD JUST DROPPED MY DAUGHTER (9 YEARS OLD) OFF AT DANCING SCHOOL. I WAS JUST ON THE HIGHWAY 20 MINUTES PRIOR TO DROPPING MY DAUGHTER OFF AT DANCING SCHOOL. I AM EXTREMELY CONCERNED THAT THIS WILL HAPPEN AGAIN. I CAN NOT AFFORD TO HAVE THIS PROBLEM HAPPEN WITHOUT CAUSE AND WARNING. WOULD YOU PLEASE FORWARD ME ANY INFORMATION VIA E-MAIL OR REGULAR MAIL THAT WOULD HELP ASSURE ME THIS PROBLEM WILL NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN. IF YOU KNOW THIS CAR IS PROBLEMATIC THEN PLEASE INFORM ME TO SELL THE CAR SO I CAN GET A MORE RELIABLE CAR THAT WILL PREVENT THE RISK OF INJURY OR DEATH TO ME AND MY FAMILY. *TR

NHTSA ID
10496946
Incident
Jan 22, 2013
Mileage
112,000 mi
Tires & wheels
Filed Jul 19, 2012

TL* THE CONTACT OWNS A 2003 SAAB 9-5 EQUIPPED WITH HANKOOK TIRES HKH405, SIZE 225-45-17. THE DOT AND SERIAL NUMBERS WERE NOT AVAILABLE. THE CONTACT STATED THAT THE VEHICLE WAS TAKEN TO A LOCAL MECHANIC FOR ROUTINE MAINTENANCE WHEN THE TECHNICIAN ADVISED THAT THE FRONT TIRES TREAD WAS WORN PREMATURELY. THE TIRES WERE REPLACED. THE FAILURE MILEAGE WAS 12,000 UPDATED 08-24-12 *BF

NHTSA ID
10466572
Incident
Jun 19, 2012
Mileage
12,000 mi
ElectricalEnginePowertrain (other)
Filed Oct 26, 2011

MY CAR WAS BUILT IN 2002 AS WELL AS OTHERS REPORTED, I PURCHASED IT USED 3 YEARS AGO WITH 64K MILES. MY DIRECT IGNITION CONTROL IN 2003 9-5 LINEAR SEDAN 2.3T CEASED. UPON RESEARCH, MY DIC IS THE ORIGINAL PART 9197559 TK3.6 2000-2002 ARE RECALLED AND 'SOME' 2003 VIN'S. WITH THE OVER ABUNDANCE OF DIC FAILURES WITH THE EXACT SAME PART NUMBER, THESE NEED TO BE RECALLED AS A WHOLE. UPON REMOVAL OF THE DIC, THE ENGINE IS LEAKING AT THE SEAMS OF THE HEAD FROM WHERE THE BOLTS ARE LOCATED, INSIDE THE DIC AND ENGINE SECTION IS PERFECTLY CLEAN. BOLTS IN THE HEAD OF THE ENGINE LOOSE, 1 WAS LIFTED OUT ENOUGH TO JUST REMOVE STRAIGHT OUT. CAR BLOWS BLUEISH SMOKE WHEN IT WAS STARTING, SWITCHES ARE DEFECTIVE (GM KNOWN ISSUE), OIL / ENGINE / HEAD KNOWN ISSUES, SUSPENSION KNOWN ISSUES (AMONG OTHER SERIOUS SAAB FAILURES). I HAVE SPENT THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS ON THIS VEHICLE SINCE PURCHASE. THE KNOWN RECALLS MUST BE EXPANDED TO INCLUDE THE PARTS, NOT JUST 'YEAR' OR 'SPECIFIC VIN'. THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A SAFE, RELIABLE CAR BUT INSTEAD IS CAUSING SERIOUS FINANCIAL ISSUES. PLEASE HELP THE OWNERS ALL OVER THE WORLD, WE SHOULD NOT HAVE TO PAY FOR ALL OF THIS.. WE ALREADY PAID FOR THEIR 'BAILOUT'! SINCERELY~ CAN NOT TAKE ANY MORE REPAIRS!!! *TT

NHTSA ID
10432964
Incident
Oct 26, 2011
Mileage
84,000 mi
Electrical
Filed Oct 8, 2011

CHECK ENGINE LIGHT KEPT GOING ON AND OFF AND CAR HAD MADE A LOUD POPPING NOISE FROM THE ELECTRICAL SYSTEM, WHEN TRYING TO START ONE DAY. I CHECKED ONLINE FOR RECALLS, WHICH STATED THERE WAS A RECALL FOR ELECTRICAL, IGNITION ISSUES. I TOOK MY CAR INTO A REPAIR SHOP TO CHECK ON CHECK ENGINE LIGHT. THERE IS A RECALL 06V410000, OCT 26 2006 FOR THIS VERY ISSUE BUT FOR 6 CYLINDER, AND MINE IS A 4 CYLINDER ENGINE. THE REPAIR SHOP REPLACED THE IGN CASSETTE. THIS WAS A VERY EXPENSIVE REPAIR, $582.45 AND SHOULD BE COVERED BY SAAB. MY CAR COULD HAVE CAUGHT ON FIRE. WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THAT! *TR

NHTSA ID
10429158
Incident
Sep 28, 2011
Mileage
130,000 mi
Electrical
Filed Mar 15, 2011

2003 SAAB / 9-5 -- 6-CYLINDER GASOLINE ENGINE -- MILEAGE: 80,956 -- MANUFACTURER: SAAB CARS USA, INC. --MY SAAB SUDDENLY AND WITHOUT WARNING HAD A LOSS OF POWER, ROUGH OPERATION, CHECK ENGINE LIGHT AND SMOKE. THE SUDDEN STOP ALMOST CAUSED AN ACCIDENT. I FOUND OUT THIS IS DUE TO AN ELECTRICAL SYSTEM ISSUE WITH THE IGNITION MODULE. I HAVE REPLACED THE PART AND WITH LABOR THE COST WAS $441. MY RESEARCH HAS UNCOVERED A RECALL IN VIN NUMBERS UP TO 7727. MY VIN NUMBER ENDS LESS THAN 1000 LATER. THE ISSUE IS EXACTLY AS IDENTIFIED IN THE RECALL. (NHTSA ACTION NUMBER: PE05017) I HAVE RETAINED THE PART AND THE SHOP VERIFIED THAT IT IS THE ORIGINAL PART. I BELIEVE THAT THIS AND THE OTHER OF THE TWO PARTS SHOULD BE COVERED UNDER THE RECALL. SAAB HAS DECLINED AND SUGGESTED MY ONLY RECOURSE WAS TO CONTACT HTTP://WWW.SAFERCAR.GOV.. *TR

NHTSA ID
10390254
Incident
Mar 13, 2011
Mileage
80,956 mi
Tires & wheels
Filed Sep 28, 2010

TL*THE CONTACT OWNS A 2003 SAAB 9-5 EQUIPPED WITH NEXEN N5000 TIRES (N/A). WHILE HAVING THE VEHICLE SERVICED AT AN AUTHORIZED DEALER FOR ROUTINE MAINTENANCE, HE WAS INFORMED THE REAR DRIVER SIDE AND FRONT PASSENGER SIDE TIRE BOTH HAD VERY LARGE CRACKS ALONG THE SIDEWALL. THE TIRES HAD NOT BEEN REPAIRED OR REPLACED. THE FAILURE AND CURRENT MILEAGES WERE APPROXIMATELY 96,900.

NHTSA ID
10358107
Incident
Sep 22, 2010
Mileage
96,900 mi
ElectricalEngine
Filed Aug 21, 2010

WITHOUT WARNING, ON TWO OCCASIONS, MY WIFE'S 2003 SAAB 9-5 AERO WAGON HAS STOPPING RUNNING WHILE SHE WAS DRIVING IN TRAFFIC AT APPROXIMATELY 45 MILES PER HOUR. THE CAR HAS BEEN FACTORY MAINTAINED AND IS IN EXCELLENT CONDITION. OBVIOUSLY, IT IS VERY DANGEROUS TO HAVE THE VEHICLE STOP RUNNING WITHOUT ANY WARNING. THE CAR HAD A NEW FUEL PUMP AND CRANKSHAFT SENSOR INSTALLED BUT THE PROBLEM RECURRED ABOUT 6 WEEKS AFTER THE REPAIR. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION. [XXX] INFORMATION REDACTED PURSUANT TO THE FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT (FOIA), 5 U.S.C. 552(B)(6).*TR

NHTSA ID
10351082
Incident
Aug 20, 2010
Mileage
98,723 mi
Electrical
Filed Jan 27, 2010

CHECK ENGINE LIGHT ON CONSTANTLY. FAULT CODE DETERMINED DIRECT IGNITION CASSETTE COULD FAIL ANY TIME. REPLACED IGNITION CASSETTE AND SPARK PLUGS.*CW

NHTSA ID
10302518
Incident
Jul 3, 2009
Mileage
47,612 mi
Electrical
Filed Aug 4, 2009

IGN CASSETTES FAILED (CAR WOULDN'T START, TOWED, VERY EXPENSIVE TO REPAIR). A MECHANIC SAID THE IGN CASSETTES ON MY SAAB MODEL WERE NOT UNDER RECALL (BUT MAYBE SHOULD BE). *TR

NHTSA ID
10279330
Incident
Jul 9, 2009
Mileage
59,000 mi
Electrical
Filed Jul 22, 2009

TL*THE CONTACT OWNS A 2003 SAAB 9-5. THE CONTACT EXPERIENCED IGNITION CASSETTE FAILURE, WHICH CONTROLS THE SPARKS PLUGS. THE DEALER REPLACED THE IGNITION AT THE COST OF $500; HOWEVER, THE CONTACT WANTS TO BE REIMBURSED. HE WAS INFORMED TO CALL THE SAAB MANUFACTURER AND REPORT THE ISSUE. THE FAILURE MILEAGE WAS 39,000.

NHTSA ID
10277935
Incident
Jul 17, 2009
Mileage
39,000 mi
Tires & wheels
Filed Jul 14, 2009

WHILE TRYING TO GET MY CAR INSPECTED, THE TECHNICIAN FOUND SOME VERY CONCERNING UNEVEN WEAR IN THE INSIDE EDGE OF ONE OF THE TIRES. AFTER DOING RESEARCH IT SEEMS TO BE A KNOWN ISSUE FOR MY CAR MODEL. IF THE WEAR IS LEFT UNCHECKED CAN BE A HAZARD FOR EVERYONE ON THE ROAD, FORTUNATELY IT WAS CAUGHT ON TIME, BUT THE FACT THAT THIS IS A WIDELY KNOWN ISSUE WITH NO REAL FIX AVAILABLE MAKES ME WANT TO REPORT IT. THE CAR IS A 2003 SAAB 9-5 AERO, BUT THE DEFECT AFFECTS ALL TRIMS AND YEARS OF THIS MODEL CAR. *TR

NHTSA ID
10276738
Incident
Jul 13, 2009
Mileage
94,000 mi
Electrical
Filed Jun 12, 2009

BOTH DIRECT IGNITION CASSETTES FAILED ON MY 2003 SAAB 9-5 3.0L V6. GM RECALLED THE CASSETTES ON THE 2000-2002 MODEL YEARS. *TR

NHTSA ID
10273608
Incident
Jun 2, 2009
Mileage
73,000 mi
Electrical
Filed Jun 8, 2009

MY 2003 9-5 LINEAR IS HAVING MANY OF THE SAME ELECTRICAL PROBLEMS AS DESCRIBED BY OTHERS. MY CHECK ENGINE LIGHT CAME ON RECENTLY AND I HAD THE CODES READ. THE CODES REPRESENTED A MISFIRE PROBLEM. WHEN DOING RESEARCH I LEARNED THAT IT IS MOST USUALLY THE DIRECT IGNITION MODULE, FAILURE AT 80000 MILES? SINCE THEN THE CAR HAS SUDDENLY SHUT DOWN ON THE HIGHWAY (ONE TIME), FORCING ME TO WEAVE THROUGH TRAFFIC WITH NO POWER TO GET TO THE SIDE. THE CAR RESTARTED IMMEDIATELY AFTER STOPPING. NOW THE CAR SEEMS TO BUCK WHEN DRIVING AND AT IDLE, WHICH IS ALSO REPRESENTATIVE OF A DIM FAILURE. I WILL BE BRINGING IT TO THE SHOP TO GET REPAIRED UNDER MY AFTERMARKET WARRANTY, BUT I FEEL THAT SAAB SHOULD BE PAYING SINCE THE FAILURE IS THE SAME AS THE 2000-2002 MODEL YEAR RECALL. *TR

NHTSA ID
10273099
Incident
Jun 1, 2009
Mileage
80,000 mi
Electrical
Filed Apr 22, 2009

FAILURE OF 2003 SAAB 95 DIRECT IGNITION CASSETTE. *TR

NHTSA ID
10266334
Incident
Apr 21, 2009
Mileage
94,000 mi
Electrical
Filed Mar 25, 2009

MY 2003 SAAB 9-5 ARC V6 3.0TURBO HAS BEGUN HAVING ISSUES WITH THE IGNITION. IT FREQUENTLY WILL NOT START. IT TURNS OVER BUT THE ENGINE WILL NOT COMPLETELY FIRE. IN ADDITION, ONCE IT DOES START IT WILL OFTEN STALL OUT. THIS GENERALLY HAPPENS WHEN SWITCHING FROM PARK TO DRIVE OR REVERSE OR WHEN AT A STOPLIGHT/STOP SIGN. ONCE THE CAR STALLS IT DOES NOT JUST RESTART. THE SPARK PLUGS ARE ALL NEW AND NO LINES ARE BROKEN/DAMAGED. I HAVE EXAMINED RECALLS ON THIS CAR AND RECALL05087/15021B DESCRIBES MY PROBLEM AND MY MODEL OF CAR IS LISTED YET I AM TOLD THAT THIS RECALL DOES NOT APPLY TO MY VIN NUMBER. THIS HAS HAPPENED FOR A FEW MONTHS. I AM LISTING THE INCIDENT DATE AS TODAY'S DATE. *TR

NHTSA ID
10263023
Incident
Mar 25, 2009
Mileage
127,125 mi
ElectricalFuel system
Filed Jan 31, 2009

CAR RUNS PERFECTLY AND AT HIGHWAY SPEEDS WILL RANDOMLY STALL. IF YOU CAN MANAGE TO NOT GET INTO AN ACCIDENT THE CAR WILL START RIGHT BACK UP AFTER YOU TURN OFF THE KEY AND RESTART. SOMETIMES EVERY COUPLE OF MILES, AND CAN GO SEVERAL MILES WITHOUT THE STALL. SEEMS TO ONLY HAPPEN AT CONSTANT SPEEDS. THIS IS A VERY DANGEROUS PROBLEM. DIAGNOSTIC CODES ARE P1230 AND P1261, BUT I THINK THESE ARE RESULTS OF THE SUDDEN STALL, AND NOT THE PROBLEM. *TR UPDATED 03/10/09. *LJ

NHTSA ID
10257023
Incident
Jan 30, 2009
Mileage
66,500 mi
Electrical
Filed Nov 24, 2008

MY CHECK ENGINE LIGHT HAD BEEN ON- MY MECHANIC SAID THERE WAS A RECALL (WHICH I VERIFIED ON YOUR SITE), YET WHEN I TOOK IT TO SAAB (AND CALLED), THEY SAID MY PARTICULAR VIN # WAS NOT COVERED. AMAZING COINCIDENCE THAT THE EXACT PART THAT WAS RECALLED GOT REPLACED??!! PLEASE ADVISE ME WHAT I CAN/SHOULD DO. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PROMPT ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER. *TR

NHTSA ID
10249750
Incident
Nov 11, 2008
Mileage
79,654 mi

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