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2004 Ford Excursion
Recalls, owner-reported complaints, investigations and safety data
Data refreshed
Overview
Our database contains 95 NHTSA owner-reported complaints for the 2004 Ford Excursion, most frequently naming the engine, electrical and fuel system categories. 2 safety recalls have been issued covering this model year; 3 NHTSA investigations name it; and 151 manufacturer communications are on file.
Complaints are reports submitted by owners and drivers to NHTSA. They are not verified and do not establish that a defect exists.
Complaint activity over time
When owners filed reports about this model year
View as table
| Month | Complaints filed | Cumulative |
|---|---|---|
| Jan 2005 | 3 | 14 |
| Feb 2005 | 1 | 15 |
| Mar 2005 | 5 | 20 |
| May 2005 | 1 | 21 |
| Jul 2005 | 1 | 22 |
| Aug 2005 | 1 | 23 |
| Sep 2005 | 2 | 25 |
| Jan 2006 | 1 | 26 |
| Jul 2006 | 1 | 27 |
| Sep 2006 | 1 | 28 |
| Oct 2006 | 1 | 29 |
| Feb 2007 | 1 | 30 |
| Mar 2007 | 1 | 31 |
| Jul 2007 | 1 | 32 |
| Sep 2007 | 1 | 33 |
| Oct 2007 | 2 | 35 |
| Dec 2007 | 1 | 36 |
| Jan 2008 | 1 | 37 |
| May 2008 | 1 | 38 |
| Aug 2008 | 1 | 39 |
| Sep 2008 | 3 | 42 |
| Oct 2008 | 2 | 44 |
| Jan 2009 | 1 | 45 |
| Jun 2009 | 1 | 46 |
| Oct 2009 | 1 | 47 |
| Nov 2009 | 4 | 51 |
| Jan 2010 | 3 | 54 |
| Feb 2010 | 1 | 55 |
| May 2010 | 1 | 56 |
| Aug 2010 | 1 | 57 |
| Sep 2010 | 2 | 59 |
| Dec 2010 | 1 | 60 |
| May 2011 | 2 | 62 |
| Jun 2011 | 2 | 64 |
| Aug 2011 | 1 | 65 |
| Sep 2011 | 2 | 67 |
| Jan 2012 | 2 | 69 |
| Apr 2012 | 1 | 70 |
| Jun 2012 | 1 | 71 |
| Aug 2012 | 1 | 72 |
| Feb 2013 | 2 | 74 |
| Mar 2013 | 1 | 75 |
| Jun 2013 | 1 | 76 |
| Jul 2013 | 1 | 77 |
| Dec 2013 | 1 | 78 |
| Jan 2014 | 1 | 79 |
| Apr 2014 | 1 | 80 |
| Jun 2014 | 1 | 81 |
| Sep 2014 | 1 | 82 |
| Oct 2014 | 3 | 85 |
| Jan 2015 | 1 | 86 |
| Feb 2015 | 1 | 87 |
| Jul 2015 | 1 | 88 |
| Oct 2018 | 1 | 89 |
| May 2019 | 1 | 90 |
| Jul 2019 | 1 | 91 |
| Sep 2019 | 1 | 92 |
| Dec 2019 | 1 | 93 |
| Mar 2021 | 1 | 94 |
| Aug 2021 | 1 | 95 |
What owners report
Complaints grouped by the component NHTSA recorded
- Engine2924.4%
- Electrical2117.6%
- Fuel system1210.1%
- Driver assistance108.4%
- Tires & wheels75.9%
- Interior & seats65.0%
- Visibility54.2%
- Brakes54.2%
Percentages are of component mentions. A single complaint can name more than one component, so these do not sum to the total complaint count.
Safety recalls
2 campaigns cover this model year
Recalls apply to specific vehicles, not to every vehicle of a model year. Check your VIN with NHTSA or your manufacturer's dealer to confirm whether a recall affects your vehicle.
Check a VIN on NHTSA.govELECTRICAL SYSTEM:WIRING
Safety investigations
NHTSA inquiries naming this vehicle. An investigation is not a finding of a defect.
SPARK PLUG EJECTION FROM CYLINDER HEAD
ON SEPTEMBER 6, 2005, ODI RECEIVED A PETITION REQUESTING THAT THE AGENCY INVESTIGATE ALLEGATIONS OF ENGINE SPARK PLUG EJECTION IN CERTAIN MODEL YEAR 1997 THROUGH 2004 FORD VEHICLES WITH TRITON V-8 AND V-10 ENGINES.ODI RECEIVED A TOTAL OF 474 NON-DUPLICATIVE COMPLAINTS ON THE SUBJECT VEHICLES WHERE THE COMPLAINANT, OR THE DEALER REPAIRING THE VEHICLE, REPORTED THAT A SPARK PLUG DETACHED FROM THE CYLINDER AND/OR EJECTED FROM THE ENGINE.AS OF DECEMBER 8, 2005, ODI IS NOT AWARE OF ANY ALLEGATIONS WHERE THE ALLEGED DEFECT RESULTED IN A LOSS OF VEHICLE CONTROL, A CRASH, AN INJURY, OR A FATALITY IN ANY OF THE 10,319,810 SUBJECT VEHICLES.IN ADDITION, ODI IS AWARE OF ONLY TWO INCIDENTS WHERE THE VEHICLE STALLED WITHOUT RESTART.INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE ODI CONSUMER COMPLAINTS AND OBTAINED FROM 72 TELEPHONE INTERVIEWS WITH COMPLAINANTS SHOWED THE FOLLOWING:(1) 99% OF THE COMPLAINTS WERE ON MY 1997 TO 2002 SUBJECT VEHICLES.(2) MOST THE COMPLAINANTS REPORTED HEARING A LOUD POP WHILE DRIVING OR UPON STARTING UP THE VEHICLE FOLLOWED BY A LOUD, REPETITIVE CLICKING OR POPPING SOUND.(3) MANY OF THE COMPLAINANTS REPORTED THAT THE POPPING SOUND WAS ACCOMPANIED BY SOME LOSS OF VEHICLE POWER; HOWEVER, IN 99% OF THE INCIDENTS REPORTED, THE VEHICLE DID NOT STALL.IN THE VERY FEW INCIDENTS WHERE THE VEHICLE DID STALL, MOST VEHICLES COULD BE RESTARTED.(4) ONLY A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF THE COMPLAINANTS CITED THAT THEY SMELLED GAS OR A SLIGHT BURNING SMELL WHEN THE INCIDENT OCCURRED.(5) IN ALL BUT A VERY FEW INCIDENTS, VEHICLE DAMAGE WAS LIMITED TO THE ENGINE.IN ONE INCIDENT, THE COMPLAINT REPORTED THAT THE FUEL RAIL WAS DAMAGED AND REPLACED AFTER ONE OF THE SPARK PLUGS EJECTED FROM THE ENGINE; HOWEVER, THE COMPLAINANT REPORTED THAT THE DAMAGE DID NOT RESULT IN ANY TYPE OF FUEL LEAK OR FIRE.IN ANOTHER INCIDENT, THE ONLY INCIDENT WHERE A FIRE WAS ALLEGED, THE COMPLAINANT REPORTED THAT NO FLUID LEAK WAS OBSERVED, BUT THAT A FIRE RESULTED AFTER THE SPARK PLUG HAD EJECTED FROM THE ENGINE AND HE HAD RESTARTED THE VEHICLE AND DRIVEN TO ANOTHER LOCATION.NONE OF THE COMPLAINANTS REPORTED ANY DAMAGE TO THE VEHICLE HOOD.(6) ONLY TWO COMPLAINANTS REPORTED THAT THEY OBSERVED WHAT APPEARED TO BE SOME DROPS OF FUEL COMING FROM THE CYLINDER WHERE THE SPARK PLUG HAD FAILED OR ON THE SPARK PLUG ITSELF; HOWEVER, EACH OF THESE COMPLAINANTS REPORTED THAT THERE WAS NO SMOKE OR FLAMES AS A RESULT OF HIS INCIDENT.AS THE PETITIONER NOTED, AND ODI?S ANALYSIS SHOWED, IT IS POSSIBLE FOR A SPARK PLUG TO DETACH FROM THE ENGINE CYLINDER THREADS IN THE SUBJECT VEHICLES.HOWEVER, ODI?S ANALYSIS OF 474 COMPLAINTS DESCRIBING SUCH INCIDENTS FOUND ONLY A VERY FEW ALLEGED ANY SAFETY-RELATED CONSEQUENCES.NONE OF THESE SHOWED ANY EVIDENCE OF A SERIOUS SAFETY CONSEQUENCE.GIVEN THE LARGE POPULATION AND RELATIVELY LONG EXPOSURE TIME OF THE SUBJECT VEHICLES, THE COMPLAINT ANALYSIS INDICATES THAT THE RISK TO MOTOR VEHICLE SAFETY FROM THE ALLEGED DEFECT IS VERY LOW.IN VIEW OF THE FOREGOING, IT IS UNLIKELY THAT NHTSA WOULD ISSUE AN ORDER FOR THE NOTIFICATION AND REMEDY OF THE ALLEGED DEFECT AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE INVESTIGATION REQUESTED IN THE PETITION.THEREFORE, IN VIEW OF THE NEED TO ALLOCATE AND PRIORITIZE NHTSA?S LIMITED RESOURCES TO BEST ACCOMPLISH THE AGENCY?S SAFETY MISSION, THE PETITION IS DENIED.
ENGINE STALLING
IN A JUNE 7, 2005 LETTER, FORD NOTIFIED ODI THAT IT WOULD BE CONDUCTING A SAFETY RECALL OF APPROXIMATELY 180,000 FORD F-SUPER DUTY, EXCURSION AND E-SERIES VEHICLES EQUIPPED WITH 6.0L DIESEL ENGINES TO CORRECT TWO WIRING RELATED CONDITIONS THAT COULD RESULT IN ENGINE STALL (NHTSA RECALL NO. 05V-270, FORD NO. 05S34).THE AFFECTED VEHICLES WERE BUILT BETWEEN SEPTEMBER 29, 2003 AND MAY 31, 2004.ACCORDING TO FORD, VEHICLES WITH THE CONDITIONS MAY STALL WITHOUT WARNING AND MAY OR MAY NOT RESTART.FORD WILL INSTRUCT OWNERS OF VEHICLES INCLUDED IN THE RECALL TO TAKE THEIR VEHICLES TO A DEALER TO HAVE THE FUEL INJECTOR CONTROL MODULE WIRE HARNESS UPGRADED OR REPLACED AND OR HAVE A NEW INJECTION CONTROL PRESSURE SENSOR CONNECTOR INSTALLED.DURING A MAY 2005 PRESENTATION TO ODI, FORD IDENTIFIED A NUMBER OF POTENTIAL FAILURE MECHANISMS THAT COULD AFFECT ENGINE PERFORMANCE IN VARIOUS SEGMENTS OF THE SUBJECT VEHICLE POPULATION, INCLUDING THE WIRING CONDITIONS ADDRESSED BY 05V-270.THE WIRING CONDITIONS, WHICH BOTH AFFECT ENGINE FUELING, WERE THE MOST LIKELY CONDITIONS TO RESULT IN ENGINE STALL.THE RECALLED VEHICLES COMPRISE APPROXIMATELY 43% OF THE SUBJECT VEHICLE POPULATION AND ACCOUNT FOR 75 OF THE 113 ODI REPORTS THAT HAVE A VALID VIN (66%).THE VOQ COMPLAINT RATE FOR THE RECALL POPULATION IS 45/100K WHILE THE RATE FOR VEHICLES OUTSIDE THE RECALL POPULATION IS 17/100K AND THEIR TREND (BY DATE OF RECEIPT) IS DECLINING.BASED ON THE ANALYSIS, ODI BELIEVES FORD?S ACTIONS ARE SUFFICIENT TO ADDRESS THE CURRENT SAFETY RISKS AND THE INVESTIGATION IS THUS CLOSED.THE CLOSING OF THIS INVESTIGATION DOES NOT CONSTITUTE A FINDING BY NHTSA THAT A SAFETY RELATED DEFECT DOES NOT EXIST.FURTHER ACTION WILL BE TAKEN IF WARRANTED BY FUTURE CIRCUMSTANCES.
ENGINE STALLING
TWENTY FIVE OF THE ODI FAILURE REPORTS ARE DUPLICATIVE OF FORD COMPLAINTS.TWENTY ODI REPORTS DO NOT CONTAIN A VIN (AND MAY OR MAY NOT BE DUPLICATIVE OF FORD REPORTS).THE 14 ALLEGED CRASHES AND 2 ALLEGED INJURIES WERE ALL MINOR.SUBMITTED DURING PRELIMINARY EVALUATION (PE) 04-070, FORD'S RESPONSE TO ODI'S INFORMATION REQUEST (IR) LETTER CONTAINED ABOUT 5,000 CONSUMER REPORTS (MORS) AND 8,700 FIELD REPORTS (CQIS).FORD REVIEWED THE COMPLAINTS AND CATEGORIZED THEM.THE MANUFACTURER REPORTS SHOWN ABOVE REPRESENT A COUNT OF UNIQUE VEHICLES THAT FORD CATEGORIZED AS ALLEGEDLY STALLING DUE TO A SUBJECT ENGINE COMPONENT ('A' CATEGORY, SEE FORD'S IR RESPONSE LETTER FOR FURTHER DETAIL); SOME OF THESE VEHICLES RECEIVED MULTIPLE REPORTS.ODI HAS NOT YET CONFIRMED FORD'S CATEGORIZATION OF THESE REPORTS, NOR HAS ODI CONFIRMED FORD'S CATEGORIZATION OF THE REMAINING REPORTS (WHICH FORD STATES DO NOT PERTAIN TO THE ALLEGED DEFECT).FORD SUBMITTED NEARLY 19,000 WARRANTY CLAIMS, MANY OF WHICH INVOLVED CLAIMS FOR A TECHNICAL SERVICE BULLETIN (TSB 04-13-08) AND FIELD SERVICE ACTION (FSA 03B05) WHICH FORD IDENTIFIED AS POTENTIAL REMEDIES FOR STALLING COMPLAINTS.ODI HAS NOT CONFIRMED THAT EITHER OF THESE ARE A REMEDY FOR ENGINE STALLING COMPLAINTS.SEVERAL OTHER DEALER COMMUNICATIONS RELATED TO ENGINE STALL WERE ALSO SUBMITTED AS WELL AS OVER 50 PRODUCT MODIFICATIONS, 15 OF WHICH INVOLVE REVISIONS TO THE SOFTWARE FOR THE ELECTRONIC ENGINE CONTROL UNIT.FURTHER INVESTIGATION IS REQUIRED AND ODI IS UPGRADING PE04-070 TO AN ENGINEERING ANALYSIS (EA).DURING THE EA, ODI WILL ESTABLISH AND UPDATE MANUFACTURER FAILURE REPORT COUNTS, FURTHER INVESTIGATE THE FREQUENCY AND TREND OF STALLING COMPLAINTS, AND DETERMINE THE SCOPE AND SAFETY IMPLICATION OF STALLING EVENTS.ODI WILL ALSO INVESTIGATE FORD'S REMEDIES, THEIR EFFECTIVENESS, AND WHETHER FURTHER ACTION IS REQUIRED.
Recent owner complaints
Reports submitted to NHTSA, shown in the owner's own words
Was driving home from work at a light on a uphill street and all of a sudden lost all power engine shut down was extremely hard to slam vehicle into park was in very high traffic road at a very busy time of day!! Had to get towed vehicle would just crank n no start
- NHTSA ID
- 11428779
- Incident
- Mar 15, 2021
TOTAL LOSS OF ENGINE POWER MASSIVE AMOUNT BLACK SOOT EXITING EXHAUST WHILE DRIVING RECALL # 05V270000 WAS NOT PERFORMED ON VEHICLE ( I AM THE ORIGINAL OWNER) NEVER RECEIVED NOTICE IN MAIL AND DEALER SOMEHOW MISSED THIS "WORK" AND FORD SHOULD HAVE FOLLOWED THROUGH ON THIS SITUATION. OTHER REPAIRS DONE TO THIS VEHICLE TO "FIX" THIS PROBLEM WAS TO DRAIN THE FUEL TANK (ALGAE IN FUEL WAS THE EXCUSE-NO ALGAE) FUEL PUMP AND FILTER RAIL (NOT PROBLEM) TWO TURBOCHARGERS WERE REPLACED DUE TO EXCESSIVE SOOTING (ONE WARRANTY ONE AT MY EXPENSE) EGR VALVES AND A CAM SENSOR (FORD KNOWS THE PROBLEMS EXIST BECAUSE FORD DISCOUNTINUED THE 6.0 LITRE MOTOR) THIS PROBLEM HAS OCCURED MULTIPLE TIMES OVER MY OWNERSHIP.
- NHTSA ID
- 11405521
- Incident
- Mar 15, 2021
- Mileage
- 59,000 mi
CAR WAS SITTING, ENGINE RUNNING, IN PARK FOR 10 MINUTES AND THEN SUDDENLY WITH NO ONE INSIDE, MOVED FORWARD AND CRASHED INTO THE WINDOW OF A BUSINESS. THERE WAS A WITNESS THERE.
- NHTSA ID
- 11286522
- Incident
- Dec 2, 2019
- Mileage
- 200,000 mi
BOUGHT MICKEY THOMPSON ATZ 305 70 16 IN APRIL. HAVE TREAD SEPARATION
- NHTSA ID
- 11254136
- Incident
- Sep 5, 2019
THE AIR BAG CLOCKSPRING HAS BROKEN WHICH AS TRIGGERED A AIRBAG LIGHT ALSO MY HORN AND CONTROLS HAVE STOPPED WORKING. THE CLOCKSPRING HAS BEEN DISCONTINUED AND ISNT AVAILABLE. NEED A SOLUTION TO THIS ASAP
- NHTSA ID
- 11229772
- Incident
- Jul 1, 2019
- Mileage
- 312,000 mi
TL* THE CONTACT OWNS A 2004 FORD EXCURSION. WHILE DRIVING, THE VEHICLE STALLED WITHOUT WARNING. THE CONTACT PLACED THE GEAR INTO NEUTRAL, WHILE IN TRAFFIC, AND RESTARTED THE VEHICLE. AFTERWARDS, THE VEHICLE WAS ABLE TO DRIVE NORMALLY. THE VEHICLE WAS TAKEN TO FUTURE FORD LINCOLN (LOCATED AT 650 AUTOMALL DR, ROSEVILLE, CA 95661, (888) 656-7577) WHERE A WIGGLE TEST WAS PERFORMED BECAUSE A FAILURE CODE COULD NOT BE FOUND. THE INJECTION CONTROL PRESSURE WAS REPLACED WITH A USED PART. THE CONTACT STATED THAT THE VEHICLE WAS WORSE AFTER THE REPLACEMENT OF THE USED PART AND THE STEERING WHEEL BECAME DIFFICULT TO STEER. THE VEHICLE WAS TAKEN BACK TO THE SAME DEALER WHO STATED THAT A WIRE HARNESS WAS NEEDED TO REPAIR THE VEHICLE. THE VEHICLE WAS NOT REPAIRED. THE MANUFACTURER WAS NOTIFIED OF THE FAILURE AND INFORMED THE CONTACT THAT THE VIN WAS NOT INCLUDED IN NHTSA CAMPAIGN NUMBER: 05V270000 (ELECTRICAL SYSTEM). THE APPROXIMATE FAILURE MILEAGE WAS 59,000.
- NHTSA ID
- 11205210
- Incident
- Feb 12, 2019
- Mileage
- 59,000 mi
2004 FORD EXCURSION. CONSUMER WRITES IN REGARD TO BRAKE FAILURE FROM RUPTURED BRAKE LINE. *AS *TR
- NHTSA ID
- 11138668
- Incident
- Sep 13, 2018
IT WILL NOT DISENGAGE WHEN CRUISE CONTROL IS IN USE. IT CONTINUES TO DO THIS IF USED.
- NHTSA ID
- 10733391
- Incident
- Jul 1, 2014
- Mileage
- 137,000 mi
Manufacturer communications
A bulletin sent by a manufacturer to its dealers. Not a recall, and repairs are not necessarily free.
POWER TRAIN:AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION
When performing any transmission fluid changes or topoffs involving MERCON SP, MERCON LV has replaced all versions of MERCON SP and can be used going forward. Mixing MERCON LV and MERCON SP in the same transmission is acceptable. After 30-Jun-2023, MERCON SP ATF will no longer be manufactured and will only be available until inventory depletes.
POWER TRAIN
This SKU is a Transmission Line. The customer communication requested return of unsold inventory to inspect the connector. The transmission line connector may have an incorrect thread size, which will prevent it from being installed.
STEERING
This SKU is a front upper ball joint. The Customer communication requested return of unsold inventory to inspect for ball studs with excessive rotational friction in the ball joint assembly. Excessive friction in the ball joint assembly may cause a perceptible increase in steering effort.
ENGINE; ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING; ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING:COOLING SYSTEM; ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING:COOLING SYSTEM:FAN; ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING:COOLING SYSTEM:HOSES/LINES/PIPING/FITTINGS; ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING:COOLING SYSTEM:RADIATOR ASSEMBLY; ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING:ENGINE; ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING:ENGINE:DIESEL; ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING:ENGINE:GASOLINE; ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING:ENGINE:GASOLINE:BELTS AND ASSOCIATED PULLEYS; ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING:ENGINE:GASOLINE:TURBO/SUPERCHARGER; ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING:ENGINE:OTHER FUEL TYPES:TURBO/SUPERCHARGER; ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING:EXHAUST SYSTEM; ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING:EXHAUST SYSTEM:EMISSION CONTROL; ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING:EXHAUST SYSTEM:EMISSION CONTROL:CATALYTIC CONVERTOR; ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING:EXHAUST SYSTEM:EMISSION CONTROL:CRANKCASE (PCV); ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING:EXHAUST SYSTEM:EMISSION CONTROL:GAS RECIRCULATION VALVE (EGR VALVE); ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING:EXHAUST SYSTEM:MANIFOLD/HEADER/MUFFLER/TAIL PIPE
The Powertrain Control/Emissions Diagnosis (PC/ED) manual has been revised for diagnosing electronic throttle bodies (ETBs). The ETC_ACT and ETC_DSD PIDs should not used to diagnose possible ETB concerns. The IDS has a limited refresh rate when reading these PIDs and cannot display quickly enough to validate a concern. The PCM automatically monitors these inputs more accurately and will set diagnostic trouble codes (DTCs) when appropriate. Using these PIDs for diagnostics will lead to inaccurate results and improper ETB replacements. If a concern is intermittent and no DTCs are present, refer to historical DTCs and the PC/ED, Section 3 No DTCs Present Index chart for further information.
POWER TRAIN:AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION
FORD: WHEN SHIFTING BETWEEN PARK, REVERSE AND/OR DURING 2-3 SHIFT, AN INTERMITTENT CLUNK OCCURS WITH A TORQSHIFT TRANSMISSION. MODEL 2003-2014 F-SUPER DUTY, E SERIES, EXCURSION, F-53 MOTORHOME CHASSIS, LOW CAB FORWARD. *PE
ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING:ENGINE:DIESEL; POWER TRAIN:AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION:TORQUE CONVERTER
FORD: ON SOME TRUCKS, THERE IS A NO CRANK SITUATION AND IF VOLTAGE ON TRANSMISSION RANGE SENSOR AT PIN 21, IS LESS THAN 5 VOLTS, DISCONNECT THE ENGINE COOLING FAN CLUTCH, ELECTRONICALLY, AND RECHECK VOLTAGE. MODEL 2003-2007 F SUPER DUTY, 2004-2010 E SERIES, 2003-2005 EXCURSION.
Manufacturers file copies of the bulletins they send to dealers with NHTSA. These often describe diagnostic or repair procedures for a known condition. They are not recalls: repairs described in a bulletin are usually only free if the vehicle is still under warranty or the manufacturer has extended coverage.
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Complaint and recall counts across every year of this model
Higher-selling and older vehicles accumulate more reports. Counts are not failure rates and are not directly comparable between vehicles that sold in very different numbers. Older model years have had longer for reports to accumulate.