EQUIPMENT
2005 Thomas Built Buses Saf-T-Liner C2
Recalls, owner-reported complaints, investigations and safety data
Overview
Our database contains no NHTSA owner-reported complaints for the 2005 Thomas Built Buses Saf-T-Liner C2. 16 safety recalls have been issued covering this model year; 4 NHTSA investigations name it; and 152 manufacturer communications are on file.
Complaints are reports submitted by owners and drivers to NHTSA. They are not verified and do not establish that a defect exists.
Safety recalls
16 campaigns cover this model year
Recalls apply to specific vehicles, not to every vehicle of a model year. Check your VIN with NHTSA or your manufacturer's dealer to confirm whether a recall affects your vehicle.
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Safety investigations
NHTSA inquiries naming this vehicle. An investigation is not a finding of a defect.
Stop Lamps Intermittent
This investigation was opened after ODI was contacted by a fleet alleging that in certain situations, such as a light brake peal application during a low speed operation, the brake lamps fail to illuminate on the rear of the bus.ODI confirmed the problem with two fleets.On April 29, 2010, Daimler filed a defect report concerning this issue. The stop lamps may be intermittent during light brake applications.They are still evaluating the remedial program and will furnish this information to ODI when it is available. This safety recallresolves the issue raised by this investigation. Hence, this investigation is closed.
IMPROPER HANDRAIL INSTALLATION
THIS INVESTIGATION WAS OPENED AFTERA SCHOOL BUS DISTRICT INFORMED ODI THAT DURING A NEW BUSINSPECTION THE HANDRAILS WERE FOUND TO BE MOUNTED TOO CLOSE TO THE BOTTOM STEP OF THE BUS AND FAILED THE DRAWSTRING TEST.(THE DRAWSTRING TEST WAS DEVELOPED IN THE EARLY 90'S TO ENSURE THAT CHILDREN'S DRAWSTRINGS WOULD NOT GET CAUGHT IN THE HANDRAIL WHILE EXITING THE BUS.)SEVERAL OTHER NEW BUSES WERE INSPECTED AND THEY ALSO FAILED THE TEST. DAIMLER TOOK IMMEDIATE ACTION TO CONFIRM THE PROBLEM AND DETERMINE THE SCOPE. ODI HAS A PRIOR HISTORY WITH THIS TYPE OF FAILURE AND OPENED A PE TO FURTHER EVALUATE THE REPORT. OF PARTICULAR CONCERN WAS THE SCOPE OF THE IMPROPER HANDRAIL INSTALLATIONS.DURING THE INVESTIGATION, ODI VISITED SCHOOL BUS FLEETS ANDAREA DEALERS AND INSPECTED SUSPECT BUSES.ODI FOUND THAT THERE WERE INCONSISTENCIES WITH THE MOUNTING OF THE LOWER PORTION OF THE HANDRAILS.THIS RESULTED IN INADEQUATE CLEARANCES BETWEEN THE LAST STEP AND THE BULKHEAD (WALL OF THE BUS), CREATING A PLACE FOR A DRAWSTRING TO BECOME ENTANGLED.THESE FINDINGS WERE RELAYED BACK TO DAIMLER/THOMAS BUILT BUSES.AFTER DISCUSSIONS WITH ODI AND FURTHER REVIEW OF THE FIELD INCIDENTS, DAIMLER DECIDED TO CONDUCT A SAFETY RECALL.THEY WILL ORDER THE INSPECTION OF SUSPECT BUSES AND REPAIRS, AS NECESSARY, TO ENSURE PROPER INSTALLATION OF THE HANDRAILS ON THE AFFECTED VEHICLES.THIS RECALL RESOLVES THE ISSUES RAISED BY THIS INVESTIGATION. THEREFORE, THIS INVESTIGATION IS CLOSED.
EMERGENCY DOOR HANDLE FAILURE
THE OFFICE OF DEFECTS INVESTIGATION OPENED THIS PRELIMINARY EVALUATIONAFTERBECOMING AWARE THAT FLEETS WERE HAVING HANDLE FAILURES ON THE REAR EMERGENCY DOOR EXIT.THE FAILURE RESULTED IN THE DOOR HANDLE SEPARATING FROM THEDOOR LATCH MECHANISM.WHEN THE HANDLE FAILS, THE REAR EMERGENCY EXIT DOOR CAN NOT BE OPENED FROM OUTSIDE THE BUS.THE FAILURE RESULTS FROM CORROSION OF THE EXTERIOR DOOR HANDLE AROUND THE SECURING ROLL PIN AND SQUARE DRIVE LATCH MECHANISM, CAUSING THE PROTECTIVE FINISH TO CHIP AND FLAKE.CONTINUED CORROSION WEAKENS THE HANDLE AND EVENTUALLY THE HANDLE MAY BREAK WHILE TRYING TO OPEN THE EXIT DOOR.ODI WAS CONCERNED THAT DURING AN EMERGENCY, A PERSON OUTSIDE OF THE BUS WOULD BREAK THE DOOR HANDLE WHILE TRYING TO OPEN THE EMERGENCY EXIT DOOR,POTENTIALLY DELAYING EVACUATION OF THE BUS.UNDER THE SAFETY RECALL, THE ALUMINUM HANDLES WILL BE REPLACED WITH A MORE ROBUST HANDLE.THE RECALL ACTION RESOLVES THE ISSUES RAISED BY THIS INVESTIGATION. ACCORDINGLY, THIS INVESTIGATION IS CLOSED.
INADVERTENT DOOR CLOSING
THIS INVESTIGATION WAS OPENED BASED ON FOUR FLEETS CONTACTING ODI ALLEGING MULTIPLE EVENTS WHERE THE FRONT ENTRANCE DOOR UNEXPECTEDLY CLOSED WHILE LOADING AND DISCHARGING CHILDREN.WHEN THIS OCCURS, THE BUS WARNING LIGHTS (RED WARNING LAMPS AND STOP ARM LAMPS) ARE DE-ACTIVATED, SINCE THEY OPERATE OFF THE DOOR CONTROL.ODI ?S CONCERN WAS THAT CHILDREN MAY STILL BE CROSSING THE ROAD AND BE IN THE PATH OF TRAFFIC SHOULD THIS EVENT OCCUR.AS A RESULT OF THIS INVESTIGATION, FREIGHTLINER SUBMITTED A SAFETY RECALL TO REPAIR APPROXIMATELY 11,359 MODEL YEAR 2005 THROUGH 2008 SAF-T-LINERS.THIS RECALL COVERS THE ENTIRE MODEL C2 POPULATION, INTRODUCED BY THOMAS IN 2005.ALL OWNERS (AND FLEETS) WILL BE NOTIFIED UPON THE FINAL VALIDATION OF A PERMANENT SOLUTION.FREIGHTLINER BELIEVES THAT THE PROBLEM STEMS FROM INCORRECT ELECTRICAL SIGNALS BEING SENT TO THE DOOR CONTROL MECHANISM. THIS WOULD CAUSE THE DOORS TO OPEN OR CLOSE UNEXPECTEDLY WITHOUT INPUT FROM THE DRIVER.FREIGHTLINER ESTIMATES THAT THE DEALERS WILL BE NOTIFIED APPROXIMATELY JULY 16, 2007. THIS RESOLVES THE ISSUE RAISED BY THIS INVESTIGATION. ACCORDINGLY, THIS INVESTIGATION IS CLOSED.
Recent owner complaints
Reports submitted to NHTSA, shown in the owner's own words
No owner complaints recorded for this model year
Either none have been filed with NHTSA, or this vehicle is too new for reports to have accumulated.
Manufacturer communications
A bulletin sent by a manufacturer to its dealers. Not a recall, and repairs are not necessarily free.
VISIBILITY/WIPER
Service Solution for C2 Window Retrofi t (New StyleWindow in Old Style Bus)
STEERING
Revised Thomas Built Buses Service Bulletin for Tie-Rod and Drag-Link Ball-Stud Cover Deterioration. Minor note: added an update of document previously submitted. The related VMRS codes are added
ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING
Revised Technical Service Letter for Series 60 and Series 50 Camshaft Timing Specifications. Camshaft timing, valve lash, injector height, and Jake Brake lash are all very important specifications that must be followed closely in order to optimize the performance and service life of any Detroit Diesel engine.
POWER TRAIN
Thomas Built Buses Service Bulletin for Axle Flange Gasket Replaced with O-Ring. Daimler Trucks North America has released a new axle shaft to hub rubber O-ring (part number 11-30728-000) as a replacement for the paper gasket (part number 11-14418-000). The new O-ring will provide better sealing and is reusable. It is quicker and easier to use compared to the paper gasket, because using a paper gasket requires cleaning the hub when the axle shaft is removed.
ELECTRICAL SYSTEM; LATCHES/LOCKS/LINKAGES; STRUCTURE:BODY:DOOR
Thomas Built Buses Product Awareness Bulletin on RH 3 POS Switch for Electric Operated Entrance Door
ELECTRICAL SYSTEM; EQUIPMENT
Thomas Built Bus Service Bulletin for When troubleshooting powernet issues, use the BCT-460DTNA PowerNet Assessment Tool. As of May 29, 2018, the AutoMeterî is the only Daimler-approved tool for troubleshooting vehicle powernet issues.
Manufacturers file copies of the bulletins they send to dealers with NHTSA. These often describe diagnostic or repair procedures for a known condition. They are not recalls: repairs described in a bulletin are usually only free if the vehicle is still under warranty or the manufacturer has extended coverage.
Compare model years
Complaint and recall counts across every year of this model
| Year | Complaints | Recalls | Investigations | Issue Index |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2027 | 0 | 6 | 0 | — |
| 2026 | 0 | 7 | 0 | — |
| 2025 | 0 | 13 | 0 | — |
| 2024 | 0 | 14 | 0 | — |
| 2023 | 0 | 12 | 0 | — |
| 2022 | 1 | 12 | 0 | — |
| 2021 | 0 | 15 | 0 | — |
| 2020 | 1 | 16 | 0 | — |
| 2019 | 0 | 24 | 0 | — |
| 2018 | 1 | 22 | 1 | — |
| 2017 | 0 | 28 | 1 | — |
| 2016 | 0 | 25 | 1 | — |
| 2015 | 2 | 20 | 1 | — |
| 2014 | 0 | 18 | 1 | — |
| 2013 | 1 | 18 | 2 | — |
| 2012 | 3 | 16 | 1 | — |
| 2011 | 0 | 22 | 4 | — |
| 2010 | 1 | 22 | 6 | — |
| 2009 | 2 | 21 | 7 | — |
| 2008 | 5 | 27 | 9 | — |
| 2007 | 1 | 25 | 4 | — |
| 2006 | 2 | 21 | 4 | — |
| 2005Viewing | 0 | 16 | 4 | — |
| 2004 | 0 | 5 | 1 | — |
| 2003 | 1 | 4 | 1 | — |
| 2002 | 1 | 2 | 0 | — |
| 2001 | 0 | 1 | 0 | — |
| 2000 | 0 | 1 | 0 | — |
| 1999 | 0 | 1 | 0 | — |
| 1998 | 0 | 1 | 0 | — |
| 1997 | 0 | 1 | 0 | — |
| 1996 | 0 | 1 | 0 | — |
| 1995 | 0 | 1 | 0 | — |
Higher-selling and older vehicles accumulate more reports. Counts are not failure rates and are not directly comparable between vehicles that sold in very different numbers. Older model years have had longer for reports to accumulate.